w56 6/1 p. 346 par.
rebellion against the slave is rebellion against god.. w57 6/15 p. 370 par.
7 - it is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of god, because it is his provision.. w10 9/15 p. 23 par.
Beth Sarim: The Borg places the GB above God and Jesus Christ.
I think they place themselves between God and everyone else. And since they believe that Jesus is not God, Jesus is part of "everyone else." His role in saving souls is insufficient, in the eyes of the GB. Unless you are loyal to the organization and the men who lead it, you are not worthy to be saved.
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Tom really needs to lay off the caffeine when he does those podcasts.
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Lightworks is a free video editor. It might be overkill, but it won't cost anything to find out. :)
the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.
or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.
it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.
Sea Breeze: @TonusOH - No, I'm not saying that.
Okay, I understand what you mean. In a community or society, individuals can agree on a set of moral values and codes of conduct, which create incentives to avoid certain behavior. Wouldn't a group of people, absent a god, be able to come to a consensus that murder is wrong? The reasoning seems pretty clear.
But one of those people could decide he does not agree with this set of values and reject the code of conduct. We are aware that this has always happened. According to the Bible, the first murder was committed by Cain. Was he unaware that killing Abel was wrong? His punishment was that he was allowed to flee with a wife and found a city. How would this have impressed upon him the immoral nature of his action?
If God can determine moral values and codes of conduct, but cannot prevent people from going their own way, that doesn't seem different from a human society that does the same. What am I missing?
the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.
or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.
it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.
Sea Breeze: What if someone chooses a purpose that requires them to murder you?
You seem to be saying that, without God, we cannot agree on standards of behavior. Yet human societies have managed this for thousands of years, and do so to this day. Do you believe that, without God, we would not be able to determine why murder is bad?
As for God's character, we are referring to a being who defines itself as jealous, angry, vengeful, and a god of armies. Who wiped out almost all life on the planet with a flood. Who led his chosen people through a violent scouring of cities and cultures that occasionally involved the killing of every last man, woman, and child, and sometimes even livestock. Who struck dead a man who reached out to steady the ark of the covenant, when he feared it might fall.
An individual who decides that his purpose requires my murder is scary, but I can have hope that I may avoid or overcome him. An all-powerful God who can wipe out whole populations with a thought, and has demonstrated that capability before? That is terrifying.
i thought this was an interesting response to the question.
"being faithful and loyal to god implies or includes.
being faithful to your spouse (hebrews 13:4),.
Vidiot: They view loyalty and obedience to the GB-slash-WTS as being equivalent to faithfulness to Jehovah.
That is what I was going to say. JWs put Jehovah above all else. But they view the organization as the spokesman for God. In order to be loyal/faithful to Jehovah, you have to be loyal/faithful to the GB, since God put them there as an interface between Himself and humanity.
They are not God, they are his gatekeepers. You cannot get to God except through them. That... that sounds familiar...
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LUHE: I still don't understand Lloyd's litigation thing.
That's fine, neither does Lloyd.
It's a tactic- his way of having something to respond with when people start asking questions. He will try to dismiss his critics by claiming that they're defendants in a criminal suit. He will try to dismiss anyone else by claiming that they're on the side of defendants in a criminal suit. By implying that they're criminals, he can make himself out to be a victim who is only fighting back against those mean criminals.
And since the "defamation campaign" forms the basis of his recent requests for more financial support, he is going to ride that concept for as long as he can. I think his hope is that the criticism dies down before his support drops to an unsustainable level, so that he can finally rebuild. He has no other viable options, so he is in for the long haul by default.
i can't remember if i've told this story before .... but back in the day, in irlam congregation (northwest england, uk, cheshire #1 circuit i think) we used to rent a kingdom hall for many years before we eventually built our own.. preston hall.
ah, the memories .... it was primarily used as a community hall for old folks, but we had it friday night and sunday morning.. there was a loft and fold-out ladder and we used to store the chairs up their.
every meeting, there would be an assembly line of all the "lads" to pass the chairs down and set them up, then collect them up and pass them back up at the end of the meeting.
As I understand it, the Xmas at the WTS HQ picture was kept quiet until Ray Franz mentioned it (and showed it) in CoC. Then the society made mention of the early days, when they celebrated Xmas, and also showed the picture. I wonder if it would have ever been mentioned, had Franz not done so. My guess is no.
betty georges is listed as a helper to the governing body service committee, according to this page on the website: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/governing-body-jw-helpers/.
anybody know anything about her?.
Also, the villain in Kung Pow: Enter the Fist changed his name to Betty. And he was a badass macho tough guy!
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LMsA: Lloyd has an interesting bedside manner in wooing back the wife who just dropped the news she wanted to divorce him.
He doesn't ever display empathy. In his letter to her, he is cold and technical. He even describes how he 'debunked' one of her letters. He doesn't see it as an attempt at reaching an understanding with her, he appears to see it as a business negotiation or a game of some kind. If he can 'debunk' enough of her claims and arguments, he stands to get a better deal. She's just another random person on the other side of the table, and his goal is to defeat her.
