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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Diamondfrog: Did he say “heroine”?

  It wouldn't surprise anyone to learn he's a misogynist.

  But does that mean those packages are... :o
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

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  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Looks like they are sending mixed signals. If they left in a clip of him in field service, then it wouldn't seem as if he has been DF'ed or anything like that. But it doesn't explain why they would remove any of his videos. Even if he is not in the GB now, it would not invalidate what he was saying in the videos, would it?
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  Official WT 800-page Shunning Manual ??

  by Chevelle in

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  does anyone have a pdf copy of the 800-page book (or reference manual?

  ) "jehovah's witnesses and disfellowshipping"?.

  https://youtu.be/fxpdodqlut8.

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  Atlantis, you are a national treasure. Thanks!
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  JWs don't consider older WT as revelant

  by enoughisenough in

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  i am relating this happening.

  i shared some thoughts from the 1989 question from readers concerning christ being mediator between god and man ( the wt spinning that he isn't ) and also the paragraph in that same article that plainly says: clearly, then the new covenant is not a loose arrangement open to all mankind.

  it is a carefully arranged legal provision involving god and anointed christians.

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  Some people will spread (and believe) theories like that (apostates infiltrated the org and disseminated false info). I never heard that particular one. Where I was, we felt that the info was from the GB and that it was always good. If someone pointed out that older literature had different ideas, I would explain that the GB had received new light since then and updated our understanding, or something similar to that.

  The concept of "new light" can paper over a vast amount of bad information and mistaken ideas. It can be used -counterintuitively- to promote the claim that they have God's blessing, by explaining that the older and mistaken belief was the "right one at the right time" and that the new understanding had arrived just when it was needed most.
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  New Convention Song “ It Will Not Be Late”

  by BluesBrother in

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  this made me chuckle.

  a new song that they are encouraged to practice for the convention.. “ we know your day will come, sure as the rising sun.

  no matter how long it takes , it will not be late” …………... it is based on habakkuk 2 , we discussed this in depth around 1973/1974.

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  Bribie: Well from a human stand point that is true, but Gods workings and purpose is way above our reasoning and understanding.

  If this is the case, then we cannot trust anything we read or hear from God. Even if something appears to be clear and to the point, how can we be sure it doesn't have a different meaning that we cannot grasp, because God's ways are beyond our reasoning and understanding? How do we tell what is being told to us plainly and what is shrouded in mystery?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  I wonder if there's a way that the "defendants" can be notified that the action was dropped or settled or what the status is. Because I expect that Evans would wait a very long time to report the outcome if it wasn't what he wanted (and that is what I expect to happen, if it has not happened already). If (when) it fails and word gets out, I imagine he will be at his most creative in his attempts to explain why it actually succeeded. That, or he'll cry persecution again and use it as a way to beg for more money.

  I find it hard to believe that he'll just accept the loss, since so much of his 'defense against the defamation and bullying' relies on smearing his critics as 'criminal defendants.'
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  He will need to work hard just to keep the numbers from dropping too fast. He already has to put in time keeping the comment sections in his videos 'clean.' But his Twitter feed has plenty of examples of Evans being himself, and just because he blocks/ignores people doesn't mean their words aren't there for people to read. People who seek out websites and forums will more likely find links to his livestream than words of support. People who contact other exJWs are less likely to hear a good word about him.

  His past has caught up with him.
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  New Convention Song “ It Will Not Be Late”

  by BluesBrother in

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  2. beliefs

  this made me chuckle.

  a new song that they are encouraged to practice for the convention.. “ we know your day will come, sure as the rising sun.

  no matter how long it takes , it will not be late” …………... it is based on habakkuk 2 , we discussed this in depth around 1973/1974.

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  One of the themes that they weave into the teaching is that of patience. When your recruiting and retaining efforts are based on the idea that time is short and the end is near, the one thing that works against you is time. This is also the problem with making date-specific claims. The farther you get from those dates, the harder it gets to exercise patience.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Also, I was not surprised to see his patrons drop from 593 to 584 yesterday. After the diligent effort to build his following back up, I didn't expect a big drop-off at the end of the month.

  And yet, that is what happened, as he is now down to 564. Almost 30 fewer, which is what was happening back when he was bleeding support a year ago. He will need to beg every couple of months to counteract the losses and keep growing. I wonder what the ratio will be, of begging videos versus actual content, if this trend continues.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Welcome, Sarah.

  As for Lloyd...

  Evans: "another one who thinks I owe the universe my full time activism for free."

  Non-sequitur. No one is saying he owes anyone his 'activism.' He's a money-grubbing opportunist who believes that he is owed a living for doing 'important work.' Work that isn't so important that he would do it for anything less than a comfortable living for him, his family, and his video editor. Work that he dangles over a cliff, threatening to drop it and move on, if he doesn't get paid well.

  I don't think he owes anyone his activism, full-time or otherwise. I think he should stand on principle and stop any and all 'activism' right away. That will teach everyone to antagonize him!