TonusOH

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  Is the tide turning against covid vaccines?

  by slimboyfat in

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  have you seen this video about the covid vaccines?

  have you got any views on the information?

  i find it worrying at least.

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  The health agency did not state why they were pulling the vaccine.

  According to the CDC notification they linked to, they're not pulling it. They are destroying their remaining stockpile, which expired earlier this month.
  
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  Does the WTS have a clergy class (yes-no)

  by blondie in

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  wt 2021 october p.20 "in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

  although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept jesus’ clear teaching: “all of you are brothers.”".

  ijbq article 92 point 6: in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

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  blondie: Yet the WTS claims confidentiality under the clergy-penitent basis as to reporting child abuse cases to secular authorities identifying themselves as "clergy."

  In other words, they do not have a clergy, until it is convenient to have one.
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  To All Those Keen To Tell Us About Their Beliefs

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  we seem to have had an influx of religiots - the people who want to tell us all about how we / the wts / whoever are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything and how right they are.

  they obviously have special insight, or voices (probably voices, right?

  ) telling them the real truth.. as proof, there is inevitably a wall of random scripture references and quotes.. sorry, but we're not here for that.

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  That's not a bad idea.

  For reference, two posts in the "Jehovah in the NT" topic had 2,500 words/15,000 characters and 3,700 words/22,000 characters. 2,500 or 3,700 characters would already be several paragraphs long. That many words is a long article or blog post. You're not taking part in a discussion, you're delivering a lecture.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Maybe he grabbed the wrong script and started the interview by asking "what are you wearing?" Then his connection mysteriously "dropped" and he didn't return.
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  To All Those Keen To Tell Us About Their Beliefs

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  we seem to have had an influx of religiots - the people who want to tell us all about how we / the wts / whoever are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything and how right they are.

  they obviously have special insight, or voices (probably voices, right?

  ) telling them the real truth.. as proof, there is inevitably a wall of random scripture references and quotes.. sorry, but we're not here for that.

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  This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail.

  Interesting. Was Newton saying that he set the predicted time that far into the future to prevent people from making false predictions that would fail within their lifetimes and thus bring discredit to their faith? Was this his way of making the point that "Biblical Chronology" was a crock that simply left people disillusioned and should not be practiced, since no one could possibly know the day or time, as Jesus said in the very book they were using to try to predict the day and time?

  Because I think it's very good advice.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  He has "provided" them with enough angst to last them a few lifetimes.
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  Curtailing zoom

  by road to nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  co visit, so right from the horse's mouth ( or somewhere).

  too many are staying on zoom, missing face to face encouragement.

  look for the elders to implement changes.. also people at the door are so receptive and glad to see us.

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  It strikes me as silly to try to control the access to the meetings via Zoom. It's not as if people can't find a way to get the footage anymore. All it does is inconvenience those who really can use the remote access due to age or infirmity. It should be easy enough to configure it so people can join and view/listen, but not speak or otherwise interrupt the meetings.
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  Court Cases Costs?

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  watch tower is in court all the time.

  it wins some.

  it loses others.. we know it costs £££££ to go to court, pay barristers, expert witnesses, etc.. with wtc going to court for so many diverse reasons these days, from challenging laws to defending wt practices and paying out to csa victims, how much do you think wtc is spending annually on court cases?.

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  If the bulk of the outgoing money is settlements, then there can't really be a simple annual average. They probably have some consistent year-to-year costs in keeping non-JW counsel (probably on retainer, if there are enough cases to deal with each year). But legal costs are likely to be all over the place, when you are talking about protecting themselves from CSA accusations or dealing with issues related to policy (eg: Norway).

  I do wonder how much of the legal work is being done by lawyers who are JWs and 'donate' their time and expertise. The savings there could be huge, on the order of hundreds of dollars-per-hour for one lawyer. These are probably the ones who write cease-and-desist letters to bloggers and YouTubers, or make DMCA and similar challenges to anti-JW content.
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  Jesus could not have died on Friday Nisan 14

  by Hacche in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  another reason that jesus trial before pontius pilate and his being nailed to the stake was not on the same day, as watchtower teach, is found in two scriptures.

  john 19:14 says, now it was the day of preparation of the passover; it was about the sixth hour.

  and he said to the jews: see your king.

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  If there is a god: please... write the book yourself. That should avoid centuries of interpretation, reinterpretation, and general confusion. Thanks.
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  Shunning

  by Hacche in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can a jehovah's witness please answer me this question - why do you shun those that are disfellowshipped or disassociated?.

  jesus never shunned anyone.

  if you remember, the pharisees rebuked jesus for eating a meal with sinners.

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  The WTS has a page referring to the shunning practice:

  https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/

  They use 1 Corinthians 5:13 as the basis for it.

  As for why they do it, their explanation is that it helps protect the congregation from those who may be unrepentant and would stumble others. They also consider it a loving provision, in that it can pressure a disfellowshipped member into returning to the fold.

  In a more practical sense, it --in combination with their policy of avoiding socializing with non-JWs-- puts tremendous pressure on members to return if they are DFed. It can also keep those who have doubts from expressing them or acting on them, out of fear that they will lose their social circle. It can also rip families apart and creates immense suffering, especially in close-knit families who are suddenly forced to turn their backs on one or more members.