Posts by TonusOH

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

I think that might be one reason why he seems to be losing enthusiasm for it. He could be doing fine by just making very basic YT videos- they would not take a lot of time or effort and would generate decent (and growing) revenue (without the current overhead). But once you've upped the quality and promised more varied content, it can seem like a real step backwards to return to that basic approach. He doesn't want to be just another exJW channel, he was reaching well beyond that and climbing out of that small niche. Going back is like starting over and the loss of prestige must be more painful than the loss of excess money.

That confession video haunts him. It will always haunt him.

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Could this be the end of JWs? What are the consequences if it is?

by Teddnzo in

multiple very serious allegations against tony and then huge efforts to remove him from all pictures and videos, have to admit it doesn’t look good.. once the pennsylvania investigation becomes public knowledge and front page news it will be very very hard for 8 million pimis.. is it possible that this could be the largest problem the branch has ever faced?

larger than 1975, the overlapping generations or any other ‘test of faith’.

many will feel heartbroken and betrayed.

TonusOH

It also depends on the scope of the allegations. What exactly is the WTS being accused of? What did Tony do (or not do), that led to his removal? There have been inquiries into issues involving CSA (in the UK and Australia, for example), and neither has ended the WTS, or led to any notable sanction against GB members.

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Are Elders prepared to take the fall for WT/GB misdemeanor's / crime ??

by smiddy3 in

i have been thinking about this in relation to the directive given to elders to destroy any incriminating evidence they may have either on their pc`s ,e-mails , private notes in their possession, or notes in their witnessing bags ,etc.

to do with child sexual abuse they may still have in their possession.. isn`t that encouraging the elders to interfere with the justice system ?.

to break the law?.

TonusOH

It's the danger of running a high-control group. When you have a lot of influence and power, you might be tempted to see how far people are willing to follow you. And so you get things like overlapping generations and announcements about how pleased you are that you are publishing fewer new magazines. You run the risk of drifting too far from the rank and file, and not noticing how things are being received until it's too late.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Toblerone5: And what will he do when he turn 50 ? Film is colonoscopy ?

The doctor will complain that they cannot get the small camera in place, because his head is in the way.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Journeyman: He really does think they are all a bunch of walking, talking cash machines for his personal use.

His upcoming Patreon numbers will tell us if he is right or not. Even if you aren't aware of his scandals over the past two years, a post like the one he made is effectively a slap in the face. And, as the cherry on top, he throws the "mental health" card at them. Look, if you are comfortable paying someone to lie to you and gaslight you, I'm not sure what to tell you. Spend some of that money on a Tony Robbins course, maybe?

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Are Elders prepared to take the fall for WT/GB misdemeanor's / crime ??

by smiddy3 in

i have been thinking about this in relation to the directive given to elders to destroy any incriminating evidence they may have either on their pc`s ,e-mails , private notes in their possession, or notes in their witnessing bags ,etc.

to do with child sexual abuse they may still have in their possession.. isn`t that encouraging the elders to interfere with the justice system ?.

to break the law?.

TonusOH

I think it depends, in part, on two factors:

1. Is there a policy regarding the disposition of communications (email/letters/etc)?

2. Is there an active investigation or legal action which may be impacted by the destruction of such communications?

There may be other factors. If there is a policy on how to handle such correspondence (that was not suddenly implemented in response to potential inquiries), that can be a protection against any sanctions. Those policies are overridden by legal actions, like a subpoena, which may demand that any documents or evidence related to a case or investigation must not be destroyed.

Edit: As no-zombie pointed out below, destroying evidence of a crime would supersede any of the above considerations.

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Aftermath of being Reinstated

by TxNVSue2023 in

i'm in the process of being reinstated ( my df'ing story is on here).

because i've never been in this position before, i don't know how i will be treated once i'm reinstated.

i moved to a new city/state and i don't know a single person here or in my new congregation i am attending.

TonusOH

NotFormer: Is that kind of record keeping legal under the various data protection acts?

It probably is. I don't know if the JWs are unique among religions in keeping a file on each member, so I don't know if the rank and file should feel any concern. It didn't bug me while I was in, and I never even thought about it after I left.

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Where do I go to change my password

by Tameria2001 in

i want to change my password for this site, but when i went to my profile page there was a place to change my e-mail address, bio, and gender, but nothing for my password.

where do i go to change my password?.

TonusOH

If you have the password saved on one of your PCs, the browser may allow you to see those passwords. Do a search for something like "how to see passwords saved on browser" and you should see guides for the more commonly-used browsers (Edge, Chrome, etc).

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Help wanted finding images

by Lee Marsh in

i am working on a project that requires proofs that the wts did say it and jws believe and follow it.. i have found some but google is giving me a hard time with some things.. as i go i will post requests for various images.

they all must have a reference or at least post where i can find the reference and i will add it to the image.. both older and newer beliefs are welcome, especially flip-flops.. if you have something similar to what is already posted then more references the better.

i know there are images of the structure of the wts.

TonusOH

If they rolled back the claim about apostates being mentally diseased... is that an example of "new light"?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Recall the Facebook post he made shortly after the whole scandal broke, and you will realize that what he was trying to do then -and continues to try to do- is to imply that the seven were accusing him of abusing a 14-year-old. He does not state this outright, but you can see how he tries to lead the reader down that path. He claims that Kim defamed him, but provides no details. Then he tries to link it to a past "campaign" by the Vast Apostate Army to convince people that he had committed CSA.

He tries to be vague enough to give himself a way out if people demand specifics, but it's not hard to figure out what he is trying to do. Even now, he wants people to believe that Kim's "betrayal" amounted to accusing him of CSA, and that the seven/twelve have done the same. He arduously avoids providing any specifics, even as he refuses to stop referring to the case (although he seems to have done so recently...).

This is where the court filings could be a real problem for him. Did he provide any details? What do those look like? Did he follow the narrative above, thus providing the seven/twelve with an opportunity to demonstrate his deception? If he didn't, the basis for the suit will be embarrassingly thin, especially after he described Kim's actions as the worst betrayal ever, and the worst thing that ever happened to him.