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  Real reasons behind this change?

  by Gorb in

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  just a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.

  a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?

  maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?

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  TonusOH

  The most insulting part is that they were saying these things even though people should still have been able to remember the 1969 magazine where they told young people that "the fact" was that they would "never" (direct quote!) grow old in the present system. There is no way to soft-stroke what they said, so they ignored it entirely and told the rank and file "you read too much into what was said, and that is on you."

  They lied, then they lied AND called everyone stupid. And they survived it. I won't believe that beast is dead until it has stopped breathing.
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  Things JWs Say That Don't Mean What They Think It Means

  by NotFormer in

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  sometimes things don't come across the way the speaker intended.. years ago there was an ad by the whitegoods company fisher and paykel.

  they showed them going to great lengths to get customer feedback on what was important to them.

  one customer said that she wanted it to be easy to get her appliances serviced when they broke down.

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  Yes. The WTS would try to cover for it by claiming that the devil would use trickery, confusing us with words and arguments in order to draw us away from god. One was basically on guard, not for the logic or truth of an argument, but whether or not it supported our beliefs or not.

  By causing us to fear a terrible punishment just for listening, we never allowed ourselves to consider if what we were being told was reasonable, if it made sense. We would not allow ourselves to challenge the dogma we accepted as truth. I think this is why I felt so free and so relieved when I accepted that I did not believe in god- I was finally able to think rationally without fear.
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  List of main points from 2023 AGM

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.

  the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.

  they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.

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  Governing Body: God speaks through us.

  Also Governing Body: We simply don't know.
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  Things JWs Say That Don't Mean What They Think It Means

  by NotFormer in

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  sometimes things don't come across the way the speaker intended.. years ago there was an ad by the whitegoods company fisher and paykel.

  they showed them going to great lengths to get customer feedback on what was important to them.

  one customer said that she wanted it to be easy to get her appliances serviced when they broke down.

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  TonusOH

  That's a pretty standard JW view. The world is in Satan's thrall, so it is dangerous to consider any points people present against JW beliefs or statements. I remember being terrified of listening to anyone who might try to oppose what we believed. It's unhealthy.
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  Thought on “0 hours” reporting

  by FFGhost in

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  so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

  beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

  the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

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  In CoC, Ray Franz mentioned that they moved from a unanimous vote to a two-thirds majority of all GB members (even if all were not present). It's possible that they have changed it back to unanimous. But if you did that and then literally removed a dissenter, it defeats the purpose.

  More likely, they feared that Morris would become a loose cannon who would undermine what are already a difficult set of changes to implement, which could have led to a schism. And that would have brought the whole mess down quickly. Better to put him in a position where he could wash his hands of the matter but also would not want to speak out, lest he find himself homeless.
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  I think circuit overseers should have a job like the apostle Paul

  by forzaitalia in

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  am i being mean, thinking that travelling overseers should get a part-time job like paul did, in order to not be a burden to the congregation?

  i wouldn't put my hand up when we were asked to raise it if we were happy to give £50 from congregation funds to the c.o.

  so that he could take his wife out for a meal.

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  I don't recall our congregation elders ever asking for donations for the CO when they visited. But many in the congregation would give them something. The CO had a place to eat dinner each night (more families offered than was needed) and people giving them green handshakes one after another. I guess that's one of the ironies of human society; some of the poorest communities tend to be the most generous. Our family was scraping the barrel most of the time, but my mother always had a $20 bill to hand to the traveling overseer.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Is the JWWatch site down? jwwatch.org returns "There has been a critical error on this website."
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  2023-Annual Meeting!

  by Atlantis in

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  2023-annual meeting.. .

  https://stream.jw.org/home .

  atlantis!.

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  Atlantis: The link might become inactive soon.

  It will be much harder to tell, with the new reporting system.
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  Thought on “0 hours” reporting

  by FFGhost in

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  so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

  beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

  the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

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  TonusOH

  There are all kinds of ways to witness to others. If the minimum is now 'anything' then you can check the box if you had a conversation with a non-witness family member. Or a neighbor. Or someone on the line at the grocery store.

  You can write a letter. That is time spent witnessing to others. If you are feeling particularly ambitious, write two! Send a text message with a link to the JW site. Make a phone call and leave a message. Once a month.

  If they did the same with the meetings, imagine how many "active" members they will have!
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  No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

  by BoogerMan in

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  this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

  reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

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  TonusOH

  nicolau: Really? I missed that, could anyone enlighten me please?

  I think it is in another topic. They now believe that those who are alive when the great tribulation begins will have the option to accept the truth and be saved, even if they rejected the preaching message before. In the past, they stated that the preaching work was of paramount importance because once the great tribulation began, salvation was no longer on offer. Which is why they taught that there would come a time when the preaching message would change from an offer to a condemnation.

  I'm assuming this means that they no longer expect to preach a message of doom just prior to the end. Especially when they appear to have de-emphasized the importance of such work by reducing the reporting requirements for most of the rank and file.