Sorry NotFormer, I did not mean to imply that you were saying that without sarcasm.
TonusOH
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No Blood Policy and some repercussions
by Listener inthank you atlantis for the emails that you send out to so many of us.
in one email that i received dated 21st october was a jw document title "information for patients requiring chemotherapy or surgery".
the organization never ceases to shock and i was disgusted with the information included in this document because it leads to their followers not getting the best medical care, not just because of their no blood policy but because of the other repercussions which they highlight in this information guide.. they begin by stating they are not giving medical advice, just information to help individuals make their own decisions.. point 7 states.
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What's next?
by lastmanstanding inwhat's next for the world?
a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.
and i shared that map with various friends.
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TonusOH
Predicting war and strife isn't terribly bold, since that is pretty much the entirety of human history once we developed agriculture and established towns and cities and, evenutally, nations.
As I said in that other topic, my prediction is that, when these predictions do not lead to divine intervention and the establishment of god's kingdom, people
will learn their lesson and stop making predictionswill wait for the next 'time of distress' and make the same predictions all over again. Because that is also part of human history. -
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
Toblerone5: Who could be able to post that link on all is Youtube video though ?
Oh, I didn't understand what you were asking before. It looks like, when you delete your Twitter account, the username becomes available for anyone else to take. Someone signed up with a new account and used the name. Since he gave up the account willingly --and since the new owner did not break any rules to take it-- I doubt he can get it back. The fact that he has other media sites that link to his now 'hijacked' Twitter means that he now has another Self-Own Award he can hang next to his YouTube milestone plaques.
There is a new tweet that is quite funny.
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Pornography in the Marriage
by LostintheFog1999 inthe magazine that they are studying in the congregation this month has an article at the back about how pornography in a marriage could damage the relationship.. there's one piece of advice that sounds rather scary, the wt suggests that the couple should "consider asking an elder with whom you are both comfortable to sit in and guide your discussions for a time.".
how many of you would want an elder present in your home while you and your partner discussed your personal sexual cravings and the type of porn videos being watched?.
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TonusOH
Next month's issue: "When we advised couples to invite an elder to discuss the issue, we were NOT encouraging threesomes!!!"
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
You think he would use that name and picture (and the link to lloydevans.info)? LOL, that looks like someone having fun at his expense.
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No Blood Policy and some repercussions
by Listener inthank you atlantis for the emails that you send out to so many of us.
in one email that i received dated 21st october was a jw document title "information for patients requiring chemotherapy or surgery".
the organization never ceases to shock and i was disgusted with the information included in this document because it leads to their followers not getting the best medical care, not just because of their no blood policy but because of the other repercussions which they highlight in this information guide.. they begin by stating they are not giving medical advice, just information to help individuals make their own decisions.. point 7 states.
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TonusOH
They aren't practicing medicine. That is quackery.
Their interpretation of a couple of Biblical passages has led to suffering and death. My mother almost died a year ago, when she had internal bleeding and the doctors at the hospital could not locate the source. Since she was unwilling to get a transfusion, she came very very close to bleeding to death. They managed to use other means to slow the blood loss and the bleeding stopped and she was able to recover. But she was probably a few hours from death. After all these years, I don't think she would accept blood even if the WTS said it was okay.
They don't need to practice medicine. The medical profession is doing just fine without their help.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
I think Evans is trying to say that people claimed he was an activist for the money, with his high earnings as proof. I don't think that works as a defamation charge. Saying that his activism is a money-making scheme could be considered defamatory. Saying that he makes a lot of money is not.
Of course, he is not making this argument for the court. He is making it for his remaining supporters. He knows he can frame the issues any way he wants when he is presenting it to them.
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My conclusion on the matter
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inafter being brought up a jw, going to mts, bethel, pioneer school multiple times, serving in foreign assignments and having been an elder for decades my conclusion is that i am now pima, physically in mentally agnostic.. agnostic means you think it can’t be proven either way creation or evolution.
i do tend to lean towards evolution but creation at the very start because you can’t get life from dead matter.
but i’m open to the possibility of chance theory at the origin of it all.
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TonusOH
PetrW: it was just a rhetorical allusion to the fact that the inter-scientific disputes closer to us, are not as clearly fought as one might suppose..
It's a good example of that, yes. The scientific method yields results that become more reliable over time. In the case of COVID and vaccines, we can see that it isn't just biases at play, but also political considerations which play an outsized role, as well as our unhelpful need for certainty. I think that our minds are wired so that we prefer to be certain about things we cannot yet know, than to accept that we need to wait and learn more.
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My conclusion on the matter
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inafter being brought up a jw, going to mts, bethel, pioneer school multiple times, serving in foreign assignments and having been an elder for decades my conclusion is that i am now pima, physically in mentally agnostic.. agnostic means you think it can’t be proven either way creation or evolution.
i do tend to lean towards evolution but creation at the very start because you can’t get life from dead matter.
but i’m open to the possibility of chance theory at the origin of it all.
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TonusOH
We do trust in others to some extent (often to a great extent) when it comes to what we know or understand about our world or universe. The level of that trust is dependent on a number of factors.
Some factors are unreliable. We may trust in something if enough people tell us it is so. Other factors are much more reliable. We will trust in knowledge whose application confirms what we are being told. The latter is even more useful if there is a way for others to confirm it as well.
Science is the latter. The scientific method sets out the ways in which knowledge and understanding can be reliably pursued. Observation, hypothesis, research, experimentation and --most important-- documentation. Showing others your work so that they can replicate it and prove, disprove, or improve it. Keep what works, discard what doesn't. Rinse and repeat, so that over time mistakes and human biases can be gradually filtered out.
Religion is the former. Without an agreed-upon method of determining what is true and what is not, we are stuck at the observation and hypothesis stages, and we cannot progress from there. This is why science can reach global consensus on issues, given enough time. And why religion cannot, and is so fragmented that even specific religions are split into many different denominations, some of which are irreconcilable even though the primary tenets are not in dispute.
What I'm trying to say is that trust is not an equalizer here. Some things are much more trustworthy than others.
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Confirmation that religion is dying.
by Phizzy inthis is from a site called "atheist republic" :.
" the phenomenon of "nones" — individuals who claim no religious affiliation — is rapidly reshaping america's religious landscape.
recent surveys by the associated press-norc center for public affairs research indicate that 30% of u.s. adults identify as nonreligious.
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TonusOH
I don't get the impression that it's 30%, but as has already been noted, this is not saying that 30% are atheist/agnostic, but that they are not listing their religion (if any). I think we may be in a transition period, where people are dropping away from some of the formal activities of religion but maintaining a spiritual outlook and some kind of belief in the paranormal/supernatural.