Posts by TonusOH

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printed magazines

by pepperheart2 in

hi does any body know if the watchtower are printing any new awakes etc as these past 8 months or so i have had magazines from four different carts from four different towns 100s of miles apart and the most recent magazines that they all had were from 2021..

TonusOH

I'm wondering how they can grow if they discontinue door-to-door work, or if they allow it to become the least-used method. Is the website really that successful at getting people to convert? Are the bookstands working that well? Are they pushing informal witnessing as the best option? If so, what kind of guidance are they offering?

Rebranding is tough in the best of scenarios. But a rigid fundementalist cult would have a particularly difficult time of it. I'm actually curious as to what direction they are taking and what the short-term effects will be.

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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

by gavindlt in

https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

new light?.

https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

TonusOH

joey jojo: As others have pointed out, if there is a mass reinstatement event, I doubt apostates will be invited to the party.

This is especially true when they are making so many changes to doctrines, policies, and/or beliefs. One way that they control the flock is by making it a crime to challenge anything the GB discuss or teach. Far from inviting apostates back, they will probably have to add a few more to the ranks during a time when there are significant changes being made.

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Door to Door

by pontoon in

just wondering if the witnesses still go door to door.

once in a while i see them doing their cart work and my still in relatives talk about going out in cart work, never mention door to door.

i haven't had a knock on my door since probably 2 years before covid.

TonusOH

NotFormer: I haven't had any visits since.

I guess they still keep those little sheets where they jot down the doors to avoid.

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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!

by Kelley959 in

an interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.

so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.

i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.

TonusOH

I guess it's a good thing they don't do it every week, then.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

I thought apostates were not able to get back in? Of course, it's a separate issue with him. I'm sure that the only people who didn't hate him were those who didn't get to know him. I wonder how long it would take him to alienate whoever was willing to talk to him, if he was reinstated. Maybe someone could arrange a get-together with Geoffrey!

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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower!

by gavindlt in

i would not put this past the corporation at all!

yes this is at the root of there new light.

it’s called compromise.

TonusOH

What's the old saying? Do not attribute to malice, that which is more easily explained by stupidity.

The GB members don't strike me as masterminds. I agree that they're capable of destroying the WTS, but only through mismanagement and incompetence.

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How do JWs know that less than 150,000 Christians existed before the 20th Century?

by Vanderhoven7 in

according to watchtower, only anointed christians existed between the first and 20th centuries.

the great crowd of other sheep only began forming after the 20th century started.. how do they support this conclusion?

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TonusOH

slimboyfat: not much different than the claim that most of the 2 billion who currently claim to be Christians are mistaken.

I think that's a fair point. I hadn't ever thought of it that way, and I probably would have had trouble accepting it. It's amazing how our brains compartmentalize stuff.

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How do JWs know that less than 150,000 Christians existed before the 20th Century?

by Vanderhoven7 in

according to watchtower, only anointed christians existed between the first and 20th centuries.

the great crowd of other sheep only began forming after the 20th century started.. how do they support this conclusion?

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TonusOH

By the year 350 AD, there were almost 34 million Christians. The WTS teaching would mean that nearly every single one was an apostate, wouldn't it?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

The problem is that he made threats that he cannot legally follow through on. Not only due to jurisdiction, but because the only claims that could have had even a slight chance were the ones that he admitted were true.

And even that overstates the case. The entirety of Kim's "libelous" accusations are that Evans told her that he had been seeing prostitutes, and that he had traveled to Thailand for sex. Even assuming she had no digital evidence of these claims, she had at least one witness (Evans admits that Producer Bob was on the same call where he told them). Also, she could have pointed out that he confessed to more shocking behavior in his own book. How much reputational damage could her reddit post have caused, for a guy who had already told everyone that he was a creep and a pervert?

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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool March 2024

by DerekMoors in

for those still interested in lloyd's fall from grace, i made up a chart of my own.

april 2023 is when he put out his "things are bad" tin cup begging video, and he got a small surge to 592 on the 13th of that month.

i'm also using his all-time peak of 897 from november 2022.. for march, we're gonna say a modest -15, putting him at 352. i'm also curious as to when he might hit 300 and then 200. if he keeps up with an average of -20 every month, he'll be at less than 190 before the end of this year.. happy guessing everyone..

TonusOH

The one thing that can guarantee that Evans will turn on you is if you do not agree with him all the time on all matters, no matter how minor or insignificant. If he cannot trust that you will support him unconditionally, he will begin to seek out reasons to question your character or motivations. If someone disagrees with him on something, he will seek opportunities to attack, using the disagreement as the excuse.

Regardless of how minor the issue is, he will go to war if you do not immediately back down. This is why it did not take long for his support to crumble after the livestream video. People rightly wanted to condemn his actions, but that meant becoming his enemy. Who is left that supports him anymore? And how long before they decide it's not worth it to navigate that minefield? And will they be added to the litigation?