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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  The way YouTube manages the display of subscriber numbers makes them seem almost as lazy as Evans.
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  New light on shunning?

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

  he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

  what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

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  jehovaxx: Wasn’t there a change in the past about 50 years ago or something like that where they relaxed the rules on shunning?

  In Crisis of Conscience, Ray Franz described how the rules regarding shunning were changed to deal with him. The changes were towards people who had voluntarily disassociated themselves, which included Franz's employer (after he had left the GB and moved to Georgia). Franz was seen having lunch with the brother in question, and this formed the basis of the JCs that eventually DFed him.
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  VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

  by jwposter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

  i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

  i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

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  TonusOH

  The approach of just dumping "information" and hoping that volume will overwhelm any opposition is perhaps best exemplified in this topic.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DerekMoors: A pathetic 9K views in 21 hours.

  Don't worry, it's probably nighttime for the other 101,000 subscribers. Those numbers should rocket upwards any minute now!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  TonusOH

  The only time a video from Evans doesn't make me laugh, is when it's his comedy routine! *rimshot*
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  NORWAY Verdict : The Aftermath

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/watchtower-will-take-norwegian-defeat-to-echr.

  few norwegian religious communities need to worry after the jehovah's witnesses verdict, according to legal expert vibeke blaker strand.

  he has pointed out that it is particularly serious to deprive a religious community of its registration.

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  Maybe Stephen Lett can do a video chastising the rank and file for being so stingy that the WTS is dependent on government subsidies.

  "We'd been forced to accept donations from non-JWs in Norway to keep the lights on! We, uh... we told them that we could not keep accepting these donations! Yeah, that's the ticket! We... we told them that our loyal members would take care of things with Jehovah's blessing. That's what happened! It's a blessing from god!"
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  Does The WT Keep Files On ExJW Activists?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it occurred to me that the wt, if they can identify the activists that are currently campaigning against them, would have a lot of ability to compile detailed dossiers on them.

  once identified, the elders of the appropriate congregation could be asked to forward copies of all their membership details held locally.. would they do that, and do such dossiers exist?.

  (there are probably data collection rules governing such things in a lot of countries, but by no stretch of the imagination could the wt be considered a good corporate citizen).

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  To me, that's just begging for trouble. The one apostate that JWs know about is Ray Franz, who spent decades preaching in foreign lands and spent almost a decade as a member of the governing body. He was assigned to help write the Aid to Bible Understanding book, as well as the occasional article elsewhere. And he couldn't resist the lure of that sweet, sweet apostasy!

  If they have people monitoring these sites, I wonder if they sit down to review what they have learned. How long before those meetings degenerate into "I gotta say, this exJW made some pretty good points..."
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  NORWAY Verdict : The Aftermath

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/watchtower-will-take-norwegian-defeat-to-echr.

  few norwegian religious communities need to worry after the jehovah's witnesses verdict, according to legal expert vibeke blaker strand.

  he has pointed out that it is particularly serious to deprive a religious community of its registration.

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  They wouldn't appeal to another human court over this, would they? The same organization that has a horrible record of reporting CSA accusations to police suddenly trusts human authorities to adjudicate important issues, such as whether they will get a multi-million dollar annual government stipend anymore?
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  New light on shunning?

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

  he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

  what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

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  They could soften the stance over time, but it would need to be clarified as official doctrine in order to appease governments that will withhold funds or recognition. That and the blood policy will, in my mind, eventually be changed enough that they may as well not exist anymore. But it's a difficult road for them to walk, because shunning has always been a very powerful way to control people.
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  Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool April 2024

  by DerekMoors in

  1. social
  2. humour

  you know the drill.

  here's an updated chart and i'm using 356 because that's where he's at today.

  please let me know if there's anything you think might be added.

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  He's not meeting his obligations. Who would sign up for someone who isn't doing the thing they are asking you to pay for?

  I wonder if some of his patrons have dropped support tiers. I wonder what the breakdown is, now. Having a range from $1 to $50 a month means he might still be doing very well or he might be on the verge of insolvency. The lack of enthusiasm makes me think he's closer to the $1 average than the $50 average.