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  What Makes You an Apostate?

  by Aletheia1914 in

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  i was really excited about all the wonderful news related to these changes.

  i disassociated back in 2019 and my parents have not spoken with me since then.

  my brother who never got baptized kind of serves as a liaison between me and my parents as they will not contact me directly.

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  As I always understood it, an apostate was someone who opposed the organization. Hence why they were referred to as 'opposers' by the WTS. If you went against the direction of the GB, you were an apostate. This could be as simple as disagreeing with an interpretation of Bible texts or differing on doctrines and policies. As joey jojo said, they feel that the GB stands between Jehovah and the rank-and-file. To disagree with the GB is to oppose Jehovah.

  And let's be clear on CSA- they only treat it so seriously because they have been forced to, both by cultural and legal pressures. Before, they may have claimed to take it seriously, but their actions didn't show that at all. They've been shamed by 'the worldly' into doing something they should have been doing from the beginning, if they were indeed 'spirit-guided.'
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  GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

  the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

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  The men who will ogle pants-wearing women are the same ones who ogle them now. Or who creepily complement young sisters on their appearance all the time, seemingly unaware that everyone realizes he's a pervert.
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  consequences for going against the direction.

  by jehovaxx in

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  2. beliefs

  there are no serious consequences for doubting the gb.

  there are no consequences for going against the direction.

  we can now celebrate anything.. what will happen if you take blood, celebrate xmas and birthdays ect?.

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  FFGhost: They appear to trying to make it so that being disfellowshipped almost never occurs.

  That sounds right. By finding ways to make DF'ing less onerous, they might be starting on the path to only doing it in the most extreme circumstances, and instead offering 'counsel' to those who commit wrongdoing. Based on what they kept repeating, it looks like apostasy, child abuse, and scheming to end a marriage (that still cracks me up) are the sins that will still end in DF.
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  Will recent dress-code changes affect the WTS negatively?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a span of a few months time, we have had many unexpected changes announced by the jw organization.

  some here have expressed the belief that a great number of witnesses will leave the religion.

  in fact, there is a great probability the opposite will be true.. yeah, ancient hardliners will have a hard time assimilating these changes, but the younger generation will likely welcome these changes.

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  I think it might be a case of 'the more things change, the more they stay the same.'

  I can remember so many summer conventions where young sisters would wear dresses that looked painted on. Humorously, they always made sure that the dresses covered their knees, at least when standing up. There was no end to the warnings and admonitions from the stage and from indignant older brothers and sisters, but it did not seem to have any effect. I suppose that the stares and extra attention from young brothers made the hassle worth it.

  I imagine this summer, the conventions will feature at least a few sisters wearing pants that would cause Tony Morris to have an apoplectic fit. I wonder if brothers will get in on it, so that there will be statements from the podium asking the brothers to please button up their shirts and to stop fluffing their chest hair during the song (is that a thing anymore? Or am I dating myself?). Will this be known as the year that JW women discovered yoga pants?
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  Trust Our (Neither Inspired Nor Infallible) Life Saving Direction?

  by Ron.W. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt 2013 11/15 p. 20. at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

  all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.. wt feb 2017.

  "the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

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  That would be a u-turn.

  Then: be prepared to make a loyal and unashamed defense of your faith, no matter the cost!

  Now: Jehovah understands that things might get a bit rough. Take it easy and avoid unnecessary stress.
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  GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

  the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

  summary: .

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  I don't think that's the message from the top, it sounds like that is how some rank-and-file will cope. And if they take that approach, of being able to hide among the enemy during the harsh times, then it opens the door to stuff like tattoos, or earrings for men, or even... (wait for it)... tight pants.
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  Is the fight over?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm still digesting these changes and i think i'll reserve judgement for some months until we see how it all plays out in reality.. however, if the disfellowshipping process really has been de-fanged and shunning is beginning it's retreat into the society's past then what excuses will there be in the years to come for anyone who wants to leave?.

  i can almost understand why they've done this.

  more carrot, less stick.

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  I'm curious as to how it will develop over the next six months and then the following eighteen months. How quickly will JWs embrace the relaxed dress requirements? I bet beards are the latest fashion in a lot of congregations now!

  Will there be pushback? Will the outreach open up avenues for people to return, or make it easier for people to drift away? Will there be fewer hardliners than I am expecting? It will be an interesting two-year period, IMO.
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  Science is Biased?

  by enigma1863 in

  1. jw
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  i need some help fleshing out an illustration that explains how people can be biased but still reach honest conclusions.

  i had jws claim that "evolutionists" are biased towards evolution.

  if they were biased towards something else they'd reach different conclusions.

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  People are biased. There's no way around this, it's how our brains work. The scientific method helps to reduce, remove, and eliminate these biases by providing a framework for scientists to follow. Of particular importance is that there must be clear documentation of the steps taken when investigating and experimenting. This allows for peer-review, where others can follow those steps and confirm or overturn results and discoveries.

  This also helps to unmask charlatans and tricksters, people who are deliberately deceiving others and promoting false information. It can take a while sometimes, but in the long run the garbage can be discarded and good results will remain.
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  GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

  the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

  summary: .

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  Why bother with JWLite, if walking away gets the same result? Sounds like JWFree might be the logical step.
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  GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

  the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

  summary: .

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  stan livedeath: Can someone remind me where the 90 day d/f time is mentioned in the bible ?

  I believe it's in the book of Madeitup, chapter 19, verse 14.