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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  If you look back at the archives in this forum, a lot of people gave Evans the benefit of the doubt. Only a handful of people saw him for what he was, and they got as much grief from people defending him as they did from Evans himself. Go back to the start of this topic (the first thread) and you will see some pushback even after the livestream.

  As a social species, we tend to trust people and give them the benefit of the doubt. Lloyd's aggressive and arrogant posture also tends to put people on the defensive and most will back down. It's not surprising that he got away with it, since he always played it out as if he was just defending himself from attackers and 'haters.' It was only his arrogance that led him to overreact to Kim's actions and make that disastrous livestream. Had he taken the time to assess the situation and made a reasoned response, he might still have most of his support.

  I don't blame most of his supporters and helpers --Kim included-- for being there as long as they were. I do agree that anyone who supports him now is somehow ignorant of what has been going on (how?!?), or simply doesn't care. The latter boggles my mind. It's not as if Evans is doing much of anything these days that could be considered activism. Who is he saving? Who is he helping, aside from himself? What does he do that is worth throwing money at, anymore?
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  Watchtower Campus

  by Gorb in

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  information about the new watchtower campus, ready in 2027.. https://www.brplusa.com/projects/watchtower-bible-tract-society-new-headquarters-campus-development.

  g..

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  They may have been required to use certain environmentally-friendly methods in order to satisfy the local township, perhaps? I recall that there were some environmental concerns that they had to deal with when they were preparing to purchase the land.
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  Kingdom Hall Insurance

  by NotFormer in

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  that the wt "self insures" kingdom halls has come up in occasional conversations on here.

  how exactly does that work?

  do they* actually set aside a portion of the monthly remittance from each kingdom hall and save into a pool to cover damage etc.

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  I wonder if there are any places where the law requires that such structures be insured?

  It would make sense to insure them, since the cost of removing the debris, cleaning up the site, and building a new KH would be substantial. Didn't they request that congregations should send everything to the HQ aside from whatever was needed for one or two month's expenses? If they still do that, then no congregation would have the means to even clean up the site, much less rebuild.

  And the WTS would probably get a bargain-basement rate, since they could insure thousands of properties instead of just one. I don't think they could use this to skim money by using cheap labor, since that would be fraud in at least a few countries. But I don't know if the potential cost-savings of not insuring them is worth it.
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  1874, 1914, 1919...Watchtower Time Countdown

  by FragrantAddendum in

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  watchtower time - what has the jworg said about 1874, 1914, and what time is it today.

  https://youtu.be/rcu1l-ye9be.

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  Everytime I see that chart, I just feel embarrassed for them.
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  Overlapping Generation

  by pandorasbox1914 in

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  the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

  his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

  no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

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  NotFormer: How does it work?

  It doesn't. The moment you take a concept and change it this radically, it has to make clear and obvious sense once it is explained. In this case, the explanation is clear, but it makes no sense at all. If you used this approach for any other matter, people would immediately realize that you had made it up and that your explanation was invalid. They would assume you are either a liar or insane.

  The whole idea behind the 'second fulfillment' of the claim by Jesus was to show how close the end was. When the generation that was aware of the events of 1914 passed on, that should have made it clear that they were wrong. When the generation that was young in 1914 passed on, that was further confirmation. When the generation born in 1914 passed on, the whole mess should have long been thrown in the trash.

  Even the GB realized this. In 1995, they decided to quietly drop it. Whoever decided to revive the doctrine and try to extend it with such a stupid explanation is a liar and an idiot. That the GB agreed to promote this explanation makes them all liars and con men. And also idiots, because it's just that stupid of an idea.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  she heard what sounded like a roar

  That couldn't have been Lloyd. It would have sounded more like a high-pitched squeal.

  I will say this: Evans had been able to bully lots of people, men and women alike. I think it's less that he feels superior to women as it is that he feels superior to everyone. Unless they push back, in which case he immediately plays the victim and accuses the other person of bullying.

  This is what he did to Kim. Snapped at her when she first asserted herself, in the hopes that she would back down. When this didn't work, suddenly she became the "retired lawyer." Evans implied that she might go after him if he did not mind his words carefully. Time showed this to be false, as the whole livestream was him throwing caution to the wind and Kim hasn't come out of retirement (yet). But he did not hesitate to make her out to be the bully when she stood her ground.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Let's see...

  1. He's poorer.
  2. He's less relevant.
  3. He's single.

  I'm sure there are more. Maybe he can make a comedy routine of it, making a list of "changes" designed to get everyone to laugh as he mentions them, because the reality is the opposite:

  1. He's gotten control of his penis.
  2. He's managing his life much better now.
  3. He's a better husband and father.
  4. He's delivering exJW content on time and in quantity.
  5. He's become a much better script writer and video editor.

  Can we list the 14 (or 100) biggest (fake) changes?
  
  
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  What is is your favorite REDICULOUS JW falsehood? :)

  by Balaamsass2 in

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  i get a few good laughs from the ex-jw facebook site: " ex jw humor will set you free".. i was laughing over dinner with 3rd gen over this post tonight: "question for the audience: i was driving around today and it hit me...there are big falsehoods (armageddon etc.

  ) that we were told, but also ridiculous falsehoods.

  what is your favorite ridiculous falsehoods?

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  Don't they still believe that every animal will become an herbivore in the new system?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Is that his real hair?
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  Still Confused About The FDS

  by NotFormer in

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  this was prompted by another thread where it was revealed that the gb were referred to as "our future kings" in a wt video.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4911685446402048/fun-moment.

  if i've got it right, the 144,000 are (or were until recently) the fds.

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  TonusOH

  Remember that the GB consider themselves to be the conduit between Jehovah and humanity. God guides the GB through holy spirit, and the GB then brings "meat in due season" to the faithful. This is also the way that god provides "new light" to Christians-- through his connection with the GB.

  For the rank-and-file, this means that the GB's interpretation is the valid one, even if it may not appear to be consistent. And sure, they occasionally remind us that they are fallible men who get things wrong. But Jehovah can only work with what is available, apparently. So, even if they got it wrong, you have to believe it as if it is true. Eventually, they'll get it right. Maybe.