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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Correct me if I am mistaken, but IMDB is a database of movie information, not a repository of movies or videos. That page may be a troll or harassment attempt, but I don't expect that the video will be posted there. It's possible that notifying them about the page could get it taken down, since I don't think IMDB is intended as a resource for random YT videos.
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  Tony & JW made it to Norweigian media - even a pic of "dat broadcast"

  by Festus in

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  well well am3 made it to norweigian media with hsi rant about religouse persecution.. hereis the link.. share your thoughts.. ble nektet statstøtte: jehovas vitner vurderer juridiske skritt – vårt land (vl.no) .

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  That's what I was wondering. In the USA, the couple can go to their local City Hall and get a marriage license, and they're married. Simple as that. The wedding can still happen, it's only a ceremony after all. They just have to take that extra step to make it official.

  I guess it's a slight inconvenience and a small loss in prestige. But not the end of the world.
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  Watchtower looses Norwegian Appeal

  by Diogenesister in

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  watchtower has just lost its appeal in the norwegian courts over the withdrawal of the funding it receives from the government as an officially recognised religion.

  the initial decision will now stand due to what the court termed 'exclusionary practices' which includes the witnesses barbaric practice of shunning minors, even by family members in their own homes.

  the ministry of children and families have decided they are now no longer eligible for the state grant of 16 million norwegian kroner given to officially recognised religions.. the following is a statement has been issued, i have summarised if it isn't readable: .

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  Fisherman: The issue is whether shunning is child abuse legally.

  I don't think that has to be the case. If it's illegal, then they can prosecute those who shun, and that doesn't seem practical.

  However, they can attach conditions to the money they disburse to religious groups and organizations. Those may seem onerous and unfair to some of those groups, but this is money that the state donates to them voluntarily. JWs are willing to face persecution and even death to remain loyal to Jehovah. Not getting a free handout from a secular government should not be a problem. If they stay firm and reject the money, God will provide, won't He?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  To clarify my earlier post on whether Evans can change: I believe anyone can change. In most scenarios, it is very difficult because so much of who we are is locked within our subconscious mind. We make excuses for that part of ourselves, and we rationalize that part of ourselves, and we cover for it as much as we can, because we are convinced that we are in full control of who we are. Our brains are quite messy things, sadly.

  For most people, change on this level requires an epiphany, an event/realization that is so jarring that it forces changes on those parts of the mind that we normally can't reach. I've made reference to his need to 'hit rock bottom.' Most people who effect drastic changes do so only when they've fallen as far as they can, and the only way out is by taking an honest stock of themselves. That can be almost impossible, unless everything else has been stripped away and the only thing left is the self. No one else to blame.

  Evans is, IMO, very far from rock bottom. As long as he can stay afloat on the financial and emotional support of a handful of loyal people, he needn't take a deep look at himself. That support may run out in time (and it seems inevitable that it will), but the longer it takes, the tougher it becomes to make an honest self-appraisal. Sometimes, instead of self-realization, bitterness takes over. If his reaction to losing it all is to keep blaming everyone else, then there is no hope for him.

  Hence, he is his own biggest obstacle.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  It makes sense, he does come across as someone who is convinced of his own importance/relevance. We are all the center of our own little universe, but life regularly reminds us that we're not as important as we think, and every now-and-again we get put in our place. Some people do become quite important, and others reinforce that understanding by how they treat them.

  Evans has experienced some of the celebrity worship that comes from working to build a presence, but he overestimated his influence and importance. I think that's the cause of the missteps that led him to this point, and it's also why he is having trouble recognizing how bad his situation has become. It can be tough to let go, once you've had even such a small taste of power.
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Making it a symbolic number could end up working for the WTS, seeing as the 1914 date is becoming something of an albatross. And based on their concept of "new light" (which involves them getting things wrong --by god's design!-- before getting them right... for now) they could claim that they were mislead into providing a critical date to show that they have Jehovah's favor (what? It could happen!), and now they have the requisite divine clarification to demonstrate that they're ready to lead the faithful into the next phase of God's Great and Convoluted Plan.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Meh, he could have invested in a headset, then he could listen to voicemails while his hands were free to, you know... "write books."

  But Kim's post shows why he has an uphill battle now, unless he can find others who will do the behind-the-scenes work that is beneath him, and do it for free. I'm curious as to whether he paid Tibor anything close to a market rate for his work.
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  Tony & JW made it to Norweigian media - even a pic of "dat broadcast"

  by Festus in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  well well am3 made it to norweigian media with hsi rant about religouse persecution.. hereis the link.. share your thoughts.. ble nektet statstøtte: jehovas vitner vurderer juridiske skritt – vårt land (vl.no) .

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  joey jojo: So, not receiving your yearly handout of a million USD per year from the Wild Beast is now considered 'persecution'?

  Indeed, you would think they would prefer to be treated like that. After all, they stress that they are 'not part of this world.' Wouldn't they want to be treated differently? Not when it comes to free money, I guess.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Missed opportunity: he should've called the $50 tier the "Happy Ending."
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  WT Ruining Members' Futures

  by HiddlesWife in

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  2. beliefs

  what i mean by the title of this thread is what has happened to a relative of mine, one who is really upset about this factor:.

  this relative is a distant cousin on my mother's side of the family.

  she studied as a child and got baptized at 14 1/2 years old.

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  True believer JWs probably are not concerned about their children's futures, because the New System is around the corner and they won't ever get old enough to worry about it. They feel this way, even when they are surrounded by JWs who are facing financial hardship because they though they would not need to save for retirement.

  My mother is like that, she did not prepare for old age because she was certain she would be living in the paradise Earth by now (heck, she expected it to arrive before the 1980s did). She is fortunate that her children took care of ourselves so that she gets to enjoy a much better life than she planned for. But she is not grateful. That is what the JW poison does to people.