It also depends on the scope of the allegations. What exactly is the WTS being accused of? What did Tony do (or not do), that led to his removal? There have been inquiries into issues involving CSA (in the UK and Australia, for example), and neither has ended the WTS, or led to any notable sanction against GB members.
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Could this be the end of JWs? What are the consequences if it is?
by Teddnzo inmultiple very serious allegations against tony and then huge efforts to remove him from all pictures and videos, have to admit it doesn’t look good.. once the pennsylvania investigation becomes public knowledge and front page news it will be very very hard for 8 million pimis.. is it possible that this could be the largest problem the branch has ever faced?
larger than 1975, the overlapping generations or any other ‘test of faith’.
many will feel heartbroken and betrayed.
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Are Elders prepared to take the fall for WT/GB misdemeanor's / crime ??
by smiddy3 ini have been thinking about this in relation to the directive given to elders to destroy any incriminating evidence they may have either on their pc`s ,e-mails , private notes in their possession, or notes in their witnessing bags ,etc.
to do with child sexual abuse they may still have in their possession.. isn`t that encouraging the elders to interfere with the justice system ?.
to break the law?.
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It's the danger of running a high-control group. When you have a lot of influence and power, you might be tempted to see how far people are willing to follow you. And so you get things like overlapping generations and announcements about how pleased you are that you are publishing fewer new magazines. You run the risk of drifting too far from the rank and file, and not noticing how things are being received until it's too late.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Toblerone5: And what will he do when he turn 50 ? Film is colonoscopy ?
The doctor will complain that they cannot get the small camera in place, because his head is in the way.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Journeyman: He really does think they are all a bunch of walking, talking cash machines for his personal use.
His upcoming Patreon numbers will tell us if he is right or not. Even if you aren't aware of his scandals over the past two years, a post like the one he made is effectively a slap in the face. And, as the cherry on top, he throws the "mental health" card at them. Look, if you are comfortable paying someone to lie to you and gaslight you, I'm not sure what to tell you. Spend some of that money on a Tony Robbins course, maybe?
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Are Elders prepared to take the fall for WT/GB misdemeanor's / crime ??
by smiddy3 ini have been thinking about this in relation to the directive given to elders to destroy any incriminating evidence they may have either on their pc`s ,e-mails , private notes in their possession, or notes in their witnessing bags ,etc.
to do with child sexual abuse they may still have in their possession.. isn`t that encouraging the elders to interfere with the justice system ?.
to break the law?.
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I think it depends, in part, on two factors:
1. Is there a policy regarding the disposition of communications (email/letters/etc)?
2. Is there an active investigation or legal action which may be impacted by the destruction of such communications?
There may be other factors. If there is a policy on how to handle such correspondence (that was not suddenly implemented in response to potential inquiries), that can be a protection against any sanctions. Those policies are overridden by legal actions, like a subpoena, which may demand that any documents or evidence related to a case or investigation must not be destroyed.
Edit: As no-zombie pointed out below, destroying evidence of a crime would supersede any of the above considerations.
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Aftermath of being Reinstated
by TxNVSue2023 ini'm in the process of being reinstated ( my df'ing story is on here).
because i've never been in this position before, i don't know how i will be treated once i'm reinstated.
i moved to a new city/state and i don't know a single person here or in my new congregation i am attending.
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NotFormer: Is that kind of record keeping legal under the various data protection acts?
It probably is. I don't know if the JWs are unique among religions in keeping a file on each member, so I don't know if the rank and file should feel any concern. It didn't bug me while I was in, and I never even thought about it after I left.
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Where do I go to change my password
by Tameria2001 ini want to change my password for this site, but when i went to my profile page there was a place to change my e-mail address, bio, and gender, but nothing for my password.
where do i go to change my password?.
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If you have the password saved on one of your PCs, the browser may allow you to see those passwords. Do a search for something like "how to see passwords saved on browser" and you should see guides for the more commonly-used browsers (Edge, Chrome, etc).
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Help wanted finding images
by Lee Marsh ini am working on a project that requires proofs that the wts did say it and jws believe and follow it.. i have found some but google is giving me a hard time with some things.. as i go i will post requests for various images.
they all must have a reference or at least post where i can find the reference and i will add it to the image.. both older and newer beliefs are welcome, especially flip-flops.. if you have something similar to what is already posted then more references the better.
i know there are images of the structure of the wts.
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If they rolled back the claim about apostates being mentally diseased... is that an example of "new light"?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Recall the Facebook post he made shortly after the whole scandal broke, and you will realize that what he was trying to do then -and continues to try to do- is to imply that the seven were accusing him of abusing a 14-year-old. He does not state this outright, but you can see how he tries to lead the reader down that path. He claims that Kim defamed him, but provides no details. Then he tries to link it to a past "campaign" by the Vast Apostate Army to convince people that he had committed CSA.
He tries to be vague enough to give himself a way out if people demand specifics, but it's not hard to figure out what he is trying to do. Even now, he wants people to believe that Kim's "betrayal" amounted to accusing him of CSA, and that the seven/twelve have done the same. He arduously avoids providing any specifics, even as he refuses to stop referring to the case (although he seems to have done so recently...).
This is where the court filings could be a real problem for him. Did he provide any details? What do those look like? Did he follow the narrative above, thus providing the seven/twelve with an opportunity to demonstrate his deception? If he didn't, the basis for the suit will be embarrassingly thin, especially after he described Kim's actions as the worst betrayal ever, and the worst thing that ever happened to him.
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Regarding new "Morning Worship" video - John Ekrann: "The Love of Money" (2 Tim. 3:2)
by EasyPrompt inthe man spends nine minutes and sixteen seconds condemning all the behaviors that the wtbt$ is guilty of without even realizing he's doing it.. .
(as he sits in a studio in a compound build with "voluntary donations" where they are fed and clothed and cleaned and insured with "voluntary donations" and drive cars purchased with "voluntary donations" all associated with a corporation founded on a selling-literature-business and now often funded by building/restoring real estate with slave labor and then selling it to pay for some elders at bethel to live on a lake and take jets to give talks to worshipful doting masses at convention centers in various parts of the earth.).
"but know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.
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"Money is bad. Give it to us!"