Posts by TonusOH

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Looking for those with legal expertise to work for free

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

an announcement to all congregations those with legal experience please come and work for free to cover up child abusers.. i mean what else would it be for?.

the cheek of it.. so the direction was always don’t go for advanced education and careers but now they are looking for such ones to give if their time and education for free?.

TonusOH

I think that the initial feeling is one of pride and joy at being able to help Jehovah's organization. I did a lot of IT work for local brothers and sisters, and never charged a dime. Many of them actually offered payment, and some insisted on paying me. Even though what they offered was a small fraction compared to what I earned at my job, it did not worry me, as I was helping people who would also help us from time-to-time.

But yes, there were some brothers who found it very handy to have free tech support, and they wore me out after a while. When you know you have someone who will show up and work for free, suddenly you no longer try to fix things yourself, and you panic at every issue, no matter how minor. It's like having an auto-mechanic friend who will work on your car for free, and suddenly you need to report every noise or minor issue you think is happening, while also asking for monthly oil changes, and so on.

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Bribing the children to serve--by request!

by Atlantis in

bribing the children to serve--by request!

request from researcher: is it true that children in the early years of the watchtower society, were bribed into the field ministry work to make a profit to have money to spend?

if this is true, would you know where i could find that information?

TonusOH

My mother offered us 'reverse bribes.' Either we went out and participated in field service, or we would receive a painful beating.

I would have preferred the financial incentive.

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The Watchtower—Study Edition | December 2023 ...Are you marriage material?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | december 2023. study article 52. young sisters—become mature christian women.

18 you may choose to get married.

the qualities and skills that we have discussed will help you to become a capable wife.

TonusOH

Jan: do JW men actually do cleaning?

I don't think there is any guidance from the GB that precludes it. Although they tend to prefer the old-fashioned nuclear home (dad has a job, mom cleans and cooks, etc), there is nothing to stop a JW husband from helping with household chores, and nothing to stop a JW couple from reversing the roles, if they choose.

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Index of Evidence for Evolution Threads

by cofty in

re-posting this for reference.. #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

#2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

#3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

TonusOH

I turn around for a few hours and miss all of the drama.

As for evidence against evolution, there are literally hundreds of millions of people on the planet who believe in a young Earth and that god created all species without evolution. The amount of peer-reviewed work that they have produced that refutes evolution appears to be somewhere between zero and zero. I'd guess that the majority of people who did the work that led to the development of the initial theory and the decades of follow-up work were religious; they believe in god but their work just keeps confirming that evolution is an integral part of life on Earth.

Darwin himself, it should be noted, was a Christian until much later in his life. He was a Christian during the time he performed the work that would be published in his Origin of Species. He was a Christian for some time after. It was not evolution that led him to agnosticism, but the problem of evil, an issue that religion has wrestled with for a very long time. Who could imagine that a man who was raised a Christian might not consider racism or slavery to present much of a moral quandry?

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Looking for those with legal expertise to work for free

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

an announcement to all congregations those with legal experience please come and work for free to cover up child abusers.. i mean what else would it be for?.

the cheek of it.. so the direction was always don’t go for advanced education and careers but now they are looking for such ones to give if their time and education for free?.

TonusOH

"Hmmm... rent out my time for hundreds of dollars an hour to people who pay for legal help, or donate my time for free to the same people who encouraged me to become a mailroom clerk when I was 18? Tough call."

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Jehovah's Witnesses no longer count time. How is this news affecting moral and meeting attendance at local congregations?

by Balaamsass2 in

no more watchtower and awake mags every 2 weeks to place.

no private home book studies.

no more "essential" spiritual food meals 5x a week.

TonusOH

Gives new meaning to the phrase "buying time."

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

TonusOH

Teddnzo: It just shows the Bible can be interpreted in many different ways.

Which is not a good endorsement. The most important communication in the history of the universe, upon which the eternal outcome of billions of people depends, should really be so clear as to allow no confusion.

Or... god wanted this. Which is quite terrifying, when you think about it.

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Index of Evidence for Evolution Threads

by cofty in

re-posting this for reference.. #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

#2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

#3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

TonusOH

EasyPrompt: He is coming shortly.

People have been waiting on this for centuries. And they almost always expected "shortly" to refer to a period within their own lifetimes, or not long after. The book has changed very little --if at all-- during this whole time. Yet every attempt to use it to predict the day of reckoning has been wrong. Probably hundreds --if not thousands-- of predictions over the course of two-thousand years. All wrong, every time.

I don't think it can be trusted.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

Simon: I wonder how much of his "wages" are also pissed away on only-fans and porn?

Good point. How much of his Patreon "salary" is being spent by his wayward penis? We must assume that he has yet to obtain mastery over it.

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Index of Evidence for Evolution Threads

by cofty in

re-posting this for reference.. #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

#2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

#3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

TonusOH

I don't think it's any surprise that a white man living in the 1800s would have such outdated ideas about race and sex, or that such notions would show up in his work. This is pretty much the history of mankind. As we progress, we can strip away the bad ideas and test what remains. Indeed, you can remove such content from Darwin's work and still have the early foundation for what is known today about evolution.

It is more than 150 years now, since his book was published. Much of his work has been expanded and built upon, and some has been replaced as more knowledge was gained. The consensus amongst scientists today is that there is no question that evolution explains the diversity of life, and that it is a normal part of biological life. There are differences, to be sure, but these are similar to the differences in any of the sciences- at the leading edge of discovery and understanding, competing hypotheses are being put to the test.

That is the essence of the scientific method- show your work, and keep pushing forward. Today's questions become tomorrow's answers. Some of what is hypothesized today will be discarded as we learn more. Those who feel that it is wrong are free to challenge any part of evolution. But if you can't show your work, you won't get far.