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  Nobody else understands

  by ElderBerry in

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  if you once were fully pimi and truly believed jw doctrine to the core like i once did, when you come to the reality that it is not the truth at all it can be extremely devastating.. i think only other ex jws could ever understand.

  i wasted my entire life i thought the real life was yet to come to wasted the best years knocking on doors.

  now i’m so angry.. i can understand why so many top themselves when they realise it was all lies..

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  TonusOH

  That is the attitude that the GB would push to the rank and file. If you leave the org, you will descend into sin and destroy yourself. Few people want to leave the WTS out of a desire to lose themselves morally, IMO. Most just want to do things like question a specific teaching without feeling as if they are drifting into the deep end of the pool. Or celebrate a birthday, or get a tattoo, or wear a beard.

  When you have been walking on eggshells for a long time, you don't even realize how much anxiety it can cause. The relief that many feel upon getting out must be absolutely immense.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  He trusts her not to share the contents of those mailings with others?
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  Anti-gravity in the new world!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from golden age, march 24, 1926. https://jws-library.one/?file=data/1926/g_e_19260324/g_e_19260324.html#bookmark22.

  "many have wondered how accidents would be avoided during christ’s kingdom, since we are told that nothing shall then hurt or destroy.

  most accidents are due to gravitation and its effects.

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  So, they believe that god exists and that he has full control of the physical world, but they feel a need to reassure people that they won't get hurt when they fall down in paradise?
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  No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

  - the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

  kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

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  Imagine that poor teacher, having to dedicate so much time to one student because he was taught to fear a Thanksgiving meal. I'll bet she was super-receptive the next time a JW knocked on her door at 10am on a weekend!
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  Nobody else understands

  by ElderBerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you once were fully pimi and truly believed jw doctrine to the core like i once did, when you come to the reality that it is not the truth at all it can be extremely devastating.. i think only other ex jws could ever understand.

  i wasted my entire life i thought the real life was yet to come to wasted the best years knocking on doors.

  now i’m so angry.. i can understand why so many top themselves when they realise it was all lies..

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  That might be the one thing that could change the WTS for the better, but I don't know if they could ever do it- reject the concept that JWs must limit/avoid association with "the world." That might be the one biggest thing that affects us, because many people can't really see it. You can converse with people at work or at school, and they can think "JWs aren't so bad, they are regular people. They miss out on one or two things, is all." They don't see how JWs isolate themselves from non-JWs the rest of the time.

  It's not that you go to X number of meetings and spend X hours preaching (although that can certainly drain a person); it's that the rest of the time, you don't get to behave like a normal person. Going out with non-JWs for dinner, or a movie, or to hang out, and so on. That might be even worse than not celebrating birthdays or holidays. You see yourself as being isolated from this world that is always right in front of you.
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  Nobody else understands

  by ElderBerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you once were fully pimi and truly believed jw doctrine to the core like i once did, when you come to the reality that it is not the truth at all it can be extremely devastating.. i think only other ex jws could ever understand.

  i wasted my entire life i thought the real life was yet to come to wasted the best years knocking on doors.

  now i’m so angry.. i can understand why so many top themselves when they realise it was all lies..

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  I was 101% in when I was in. I went through a period where I faded pretty gradually, still telling myself it was the truth but my subconscious mind had already checked out. By the time I realized I was out, it wasn't traumatic. I was in for 30-40 years or so, made it to MS with people sure that I'd be an elder in due time. I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel that I wasted a lot of potential.

  I do feel a bit of sadness for losing out on some possible career paths that I decided not to follow, but I got lucky- an opportunity in IT when I was just beginning to fade allowed me to develop a career and make a decent living. My life was in good shape when I finally let go and walked away from the org. No bitterness, no looking back.
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  Bathwater

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
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  many who have become disillusioned by some particular recent wt offence, separate from the church physically but retain the indoctrination the wt installed in their brains.

  a familiar trope is often used,.

  "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!".

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  The WTS isn't unique in updating its "knowledge" as humanity learns more about itself and our world. They're not even unique in having most of those updates amount to "no, the world didn't end this time." In that light, it's not entirely wrong to say that any denomination has a proper understanding of the Bible.
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  What If The Tower Fell?

  by Big Dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what if the truly unthinkable happened and the tower went down?

  perhaps the irs swooped in and claimed fraud and padlocked the headquarters and kingdom hall doors?

  or the gb took the money and ran to a nice non-extradition country to live out their years?

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  JeffT: Scientology yes, Mormonism no, depending on what time frame you use. The Mormons predate the Watchtower.

  I was thinking about the origins of the Abrahamic religions, which would have been many centuries prior. Mormonism was born during a period of upheaval in the US, but most of the denominations that grew out of it based their beliefs on the Bible. Joseph Smith decided to write a new book and effectively create a new religion. Hubbard decided to do him one better. It remains amazing to me that either survived the religious environment of their time (and, in fairness, Smith himself did not survive it).
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  The GB advises the rank and file not to become too attached to material things because "Jehovah will provide." Then they make videos asking for more contributions and advising the rank and file to give generously. It makes you think that they don't trust Jehovah as much as they expect the rank and file to trust him.
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  Lard I Mean Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - January 2024

  by DerekMoors in

  1. social
  2. humour

  okay people, you know the drill.

  give us your best estimate for where jabba the hut's fatter, broker cousin will be with patrons on january 2.. some numbers to consider:.

  last september is when he did his beg-fest and peaked at 478. just two months later, early november, he was down to 427. .

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  I'm going to go conservative on this one and say 392.

  I'm guessing that the die-hards will dig in. I am also assuming that there will be at least one video or Patreon/Facebook post where he asks them not to let the Silvo Mob* win. That will probably give the numbers a slight boost and/or slow the decline.

  *We need an image of Kim as a mob boss.