SeaBreeze: Just pretend that there was evidence for a moment; do you think you would trust Jesus with your eternity?
I would, yes.
TonusOH
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New Study: Mars Once Was Completely Covered in Oceans
by Sea Breeze in"the new study indicates that the oceans that covered the entire planet in water were at least 300 metres deep.
they may have been up to one kilometre deep.".
yet, some secularists say they are sure that the earth was never completely flooded with water above the tops of mountains as described in genesis.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
This would be the same glacially slow court system that he had to scramble to keep up with when they set a deadline for him to present evidence because fifteen months wasn't long enough.
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New Study: Mars Once Was Completely Covered in Oceans
by Sea Breeze in"the new study indicates that the oceans that covered the entire planet in water were at least 300 metres deep.
they may have been up to one kilometre deep.".
yet, some secularists say they are sure that the earth was never completely flooded with water above the tops of mountains as described in genesis.
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TonusOH
SeaBreeze: What is it about resurrecting oneself from the dead that is insufficient for you to trust him?
The fact that there is no evidence that he resurrected himself. There isn't even evidence that this individual was anything other than a regular human being. We cannot even be certain that he existed at all.
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Are Atheists Hypocritical in Celebrating Christmas?
by Sea Breeze inrichard dawkins revealed that he celebrates christmas on radio four's today programme.. here is is quoted as saying: .
'i am perfectly happy on christmas day to say merry christmas to everybody,' dawkins said.
'i might sing christmas carols - once i was privileged to be invited to kings college, cambridge, for their christmas carols and loved it.
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TonusOH
I'm fine with the idea that it is hypocritical to celebrate Christmas while not believing in god. My comment about Labor Day was facetious, but could be seen in the same light. I celebrate Halloween, though I do not believe in demons or witches or ghosts. I celebrate Thanksgiving, but do not say a prayer of thanks. There are likely to be other such celebrations that I partake in without believing in the subject being celebrated.
I doubt most people would express any concern over it. It sounds similar to saying that I'm a coward because I refuse to drive a large knife through my hand. It's true! I refuse to do it, and it doesn't bother me to be considered a coward in this context. I am comfortable making that trade-off, and many like it.
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What does God eat ?
by stan livedeath inbeans ?
( human beans ).
to those of you that believe in god: do you all believe the same thing ?.
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TonusOH
I don't think I ever considered that question, because god is a spirit being, and it appears that this is not an issue for them. That does make me wonder how energy and matter work in that realm. Is god (and angels, etc) made of matter? If not, what is he (and angels, etc) made of?
Angels took on forms of flesh from time to time, as did god at least once. Jesus apparently ate and drank and slept and relieved himself as any human would. Suddenly I am forced to wonder why we weren't simply made as spirit beings, or as some sort of hybrid that would not need to spend so much time storing or recuperating energy. That would've made things far less complicated, it seems.
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Are Atheists Hypocritical in Celebrating Christmas?
by Sea Breeze inrichard dawkins revealed that he celebrates christmas on radio four's today programme.. here is is quoted as saying: .
'i am perfectly happy on christmas day to say merry christmas to everybody,' dawkins said.
'i might sing christmas carols - once i was privileged to be invited to kings college, cambridge, for their christmas carols and loved it.
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TonusOH
Stephen Hawking hasn't had an opportunity to celebrate Christmas for five or six years, now.
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Are Atheists Hypocritical in Celebrating Christmas?
by Sea Breeze inrichard dawkins revealed that he celebrates christmas on radio four's today programme.. here is is quoted as saying: .
'i am perfectly happy on christmas day to say merry christmas to everybody,' dawkins said.
'i might sing christmas carols - once i was privileged to be invited to kings college, cambridge, for their christmas carols and loved it.
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TonusOH
Christmas? That's the least of it: I don't work on Labor Day! -
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Theory on the GB "new light" pushing back the final judgment.
by Jofi_Wofo ini know there are several threads already on this "new light", but i didn't see one that covered this particular angle.. since the gb seem to have an ulterior motive for everything they do, well beyond their publicly stated reasons, i began to wonder why they would be concerned with pushing back the closing of the window of jesus' judgement.
this is especially puzzling because the doctrine of the start of great tribulation being the final cutoff was one that the gb seemed to especially revel in for so long.
they could hang it over everyone's heads as a looming threat.
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TonusOH
It would be funny if they suddenly announced that the great tribulation had already started and we simply hadn't realized it.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
I think it's funny that he spends any time at all on the comments. He is so vain that he worries about winning slap fights in the YouTube comment section. Not only is that mentally draining, it is utterly useless. And worse, it just invites people to antagonize him.
Doom-scrolling sites like this and reddit would be depressing enough for him. Doom-scrolling YT comments? No wonder he needs to take so many breaks.
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New Study: Mars Once Was Completely Covered in Oceans
by Sea Breeze in"the new study indicates that the oceans that covered the entire planet in water were at least 300 metres deep.
they may have been up to one kilometre deep.".
yet, some secularists say they are sure that the earth was never completely flooded with water above the tops of mountains as described in genesis.
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TonusOH
SeaBreeze: Really? How did you come to realize that?
Ultimately, it was these steps:
1. The 'evidence/argument' for god's existence amounts to a bunch of flawed concepts that only serve to get us as far as 'god has to exist.' If we ignore the flaws in those ideas and accept them at face value, we get as far as recognizing that a god is necessary. WHO that god is, we cannot determine through this approach.
2. The way gods are described, it's entirely possible that they are undetectable if they choose to be so. Thus, we cannot disprove god. However, we can reasonably dismiss certain gods if they do not make sense. Everyone does this, even theists. No one worships every god, after all.
3. A being of immeasurable power and knowledge, of perfect wisdom, who personifies love and kindness, who is the epitome of justice and mercy, who declares his desire for all of humanity to be saved and serve in heaven... and who then explains that the road to salvation is long and narrow and that few will ever achieve it... he cannot exist. The notion that such a being would arbitrarily place obstacles for himself that would lead to an outcome in which his creation would suffer eternally makes absolutely no sense. It is the kind of action we would expect from someone suffering from self-loathing, or who is an idiot. Neither of those are how god is described.
This cannot be reconciled. Men have tried for centuries and there is yet to be an explanation for it that makes any sense. Yahweh --as defined by those who believe in him-- is impossible. Perhaps the above problem could be explained in some way, though that would just leave myriad other problems with the Bible, which itself is another reason to dismiss it as being true.