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  Are Atheists Hypocritical in Celebrating Christmas?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  richard dawkins revealed that he celebrates christmas on radio four's today programme.. here is is quoted as saying: .

  'i am perfectly happy on christmas day to say merry christmas to everybody,' dawkins said.

  'i might sing christmas carols - once i was privileged to be invited to kings college, cambridge, for their christmas carols and loved it.

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  SeaBreeze: They are facts

  No, they are not. They are claims, found in texts whose original writers are unknown and whose reliability is questionable. Who are these scholars who accept unproven claims as fact? If they are "historical facts," where is the consensus among historians? Why don't they accept these "historical facts"?

  Under this approach, every religious claim to be found in their writings are facts that require plausible explanations in order to reject them. Islam? True. Hinduism? True. The Greek pantheon? True. Mormonism? True. Scientology? True! If you can't account for their historical facts, your weekend schedule looks to become quite busy in the future.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  He treated a lot of people --especially exJWs-- like shit. He continues to treat many of them like shit.

  If the only things he had done were make good videos and ruined his family life, these topics would be very small and probably forgotten already. But I would question just how much good he has done, considering some of the crap he has tried to pull in the past, and considering the way he treats people who don't worship him.

  It's not the fault of the WTS that he's such a despicable person. That's all on him. If he wants these topics to end, he should go away.
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  Elders get Paid??

  by jwundubbed in

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  i just did a google search to see if i could find out if my old kingdom hall was still there, in the town i grew up in.

  google has generated questions.

  the first question asked how much jehovah's witness elders get paid.

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  There are websites where people can enter basic position and salary info. I doubt that those get vetted in any way, so you can find fake salary info for all kinds of jobs, careers, positions, etc.

  The WTS give a very small stipend to travelling overseers. If they were paying elders $50-90,000 per year, it would be one of the largest religious groups in the country.
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  The elders came calling. 😹

  by MissDaSilva in

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  this afternoon just after lunch.

  i spotted 2 of the nicer elders in the congregation walking up the drive.

  i didn’t answer the door.

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  You are free to tell them that you do not wish to sit down and discuss anything with them. That is sufficient for them to make whatever decisions and announcements they feel they need to make. It saves everyone the time and discomfort of having to sit through a shepherding session when you already know the outcome.
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  Leaving update

  by MissDaSilva in

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  just to give you guys an update on mine and my son’s exit from the matrix.

  my son put on his instagram page he was no longer a jw and wished everyone a merry christmas.

  🎄💥😳the blocks/unfollows came thick and fast.

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  I found that most JWs are good people, with the exception that they will judge and shun you if you leave. Is that really worth keeping? One hand on your shoulder, and the other hand grasping the rug that they will pull out from under your feet?

  I don't blame people for fading slowly, it's what I did (though I hardly had any contact with JWs during my fade). But I also commend anyone who rips off the bandaid and gets to see just who their friends really were (hint: it's probably not any JWs).
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  70s Cartoons

  by NotFormer in

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  there're the obvious ones, like the smurfs.

  although why still escapes me.

  was it because of the magic, that they were "magical creatures", that there were wizards, etc?.

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  I remember my mother explaining to other JWs that she had done "research" into the Smurfs and discovered that they were of 'demonic origin' or something like that. My older sister loved the smurfs and had a collection of the little figurines, which she had to throw away once my mother made her 'discovery.' It was like a competition sometimes, to see who could find more demons in their homes so that they could tell everyone how they exorcised them.

  The thing is, my mother was like many parents, who used the TV as a way to keep the kids out of her hair. So we grew up watching everything, including Scooby-Doo and Casper cartoons. As long as we weren't annoying her, there wasn't much we couldn't watch during the early afternoon.
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  55 Year Cycle shows up in March 2024 Watchtower

  by was a new boy in

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  did they hope that everybody who read the1969 awake as a kid is too senile to remember?.

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  That might be a good approach for the current GB if they want to make doctrinal changes. Hey, the guy who wrote this stuff is dead. Check out what the still-living GB wants you to believe!

  It might sound silly, but is it really any worse than failed end-times predictions and overlapping generations? At some point, you've crossed into parody, and that's a lot more fun than taking any of it too seriously.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Or brag, perhaps.
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  Are Atheists Hypocritical in Celebrating Christmas?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  richard dawkins revealed that he celebrates christmas on radio four's today programme.. here is is quoted as saying: .

  'i am perfectly happy on christmas day to say merry christmas to everybody,' dawkins said.

  'i might sing christmas carols - once i was privileged to be invited to kings college, cambridge, for their christmas carols and loved it.

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  SeaBreeze: If you really want to promote natural materialism, all you have to do is come up with plausible explanations for the facts surrounding the resurrection of Jesus.

  Sometimes I wonder if you're just having us on. The 'facts' in that article are all backed only by Bible verses. Which means that none of their claimed facts are corroborated at all. In other words, they're claims, not facts. Do the people writing these articles understand what the word means? I'm not quite sure if they do and are simply trying to decieve people, or if they're so determined to believe in something that they don't realize that they're making things up? Do they understand that when they set the bar so low, they also legitimize the claims made by other religions, including those that have been long abandoned by humanity?
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  "We're living in the final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days....

  by Ron.W. in

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  "we're living in the final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days, shortly before the last day of the last days!!!".

  how are they going to phrase this in ten years time......

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  They could always recycle the oldies: "If you are a young person, you must face the fact that you will never grow old in this system of things." "Millions now living will never die." And so on.