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  The Memorial

  by jhine in

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  the wt teaches that the memorial ( communion) should only be celebrated yearly and only the anointed can partake of the bread and wine .

  is that right ?

  i don't think so ..

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  The JW explanation was that the Lord's Supper replaced Passover, which was an annual celebration. Thus, communion is seen as an annual event. The bit about only the anointed partaking relies on their explanation that there was a cutoff for when souls would be allowed into heaven as opposed to having an Earthly future.

  That latter one is even more problematic. If Christ's sacrifice was for everyone, then you would assume everyone must partake. It's a symoblic gesture that signifies acceptance of Christ as one's savior and the only path to a 'good' future. Thus, telling the "unanointed" that they cannot partake makes no sense, especially from a group that claims to reject heirarchical titles because we are all on the same level in god's eyes.
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  Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

  by TheScientist in

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  this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

  many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

  in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

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  Vidiot: …and in doing so, will have effectively forfeited its claim of God’s exclusive favor…

  I was wondering about that. The recent repetition and reminders that they are mere fallible men who sometimes get things wrong seems almost like a way to ease the rank and file into a more relaxed approach. It gets tougher to hold yourself up as anything more than a seeker of truth if you have to keep reminding people that you screw up just like anyone else.

  Either you are not the exclusive channel of god, or Jehovah just loves to prank his F&DS from time to time. There really shouldn't be a question of how the leadership maintains control, it's more a question of finding leaders who are charismatic enough. And, wouldn't you know it, they're shuffling leadership and bringing in younger guys recently. Hmmm...
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  The GB again claiming earthquakes prove it's the last days

  by joey jojo in

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  from jw org; 2023 - a year of anxiety:.

  “since the beginning of 2023, there have now been 13 earthquakes above magnitude 7 worldwide, one of the highest values since records began.”.

  www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk cites 3 reasons it may seem that earthquakes are increasing in intensity and number.. 1. more population growth = more people affected.. 2. clustered statistics.

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  So I guess this means that we're in the last part of the last part of the last part of the end of the end of the end. Soon, we will shorten it to "we are in the last part^5 of the end^5 of the end^5."
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  LMsA: He expresses profound regret that not everyone having mental health issues can experience this.

  Many mental health issues are caused by (or result in) changes in brain chemistry. And those are usually treated with drugs that try to help get the brain chemistry closer to normal. Advocating that such people alter their brain chemistry with psychedelics sounds dangerous. Doing so after deciding to stop taking prescribed mood-controlling drugs sounds particularly stupid and irresponsible, even for him.

  Someone mentioned Boogie2988 recently. I think a case can be made that Evans has been entering into that territory, and I wonder if this is where he decided to go all in. I don't think it will end any better.
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  Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

  by TheScientist in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

  many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

  in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

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  If it stays alive by making changes that ease the pressure on the rank and file and move towards a more mainstream approach, that might be better than having it die off.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Evans has pushed the narrative that it is the defamation/hate campaign that has caused him so much grief. He does not refer to his actions that precipitated it, insisting that those are no one's business and therefore should not be a factor. He says this in the public YouTube video livestream where he admitted to those actions.

  If that sounds crazy, that's because it is.

  As for jwwatch.org- as far as I know, it has been down for months. He apparently has let it die. I can't blame him. He certainly wan't going to post regular updates, so it would have become a dead site that he had to pay for. Better to nuke it. And if the links on his other sites point to a dead page, oh well. It's not as bad as deleting his Twitter account and having someone else take it, so that his old links point to the new account.
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  The Memorial

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wt teaches that the memorial ( communion) should only be celebrated yearly and only the anointed can partake of the bread and wine .

  is that right ?

  i don't think so ..

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  That is how I remember it, Jan. Once a year (Nissan 14 on the Jewish calendar) and only the anointed are to partake of the emblems. Everyone else just passes the plate along.

  I only ever recall seeing two or three people partake. Most of the time, the crackers would be disposed of afterwards, and the wine would... the rumor was that the elders would drink it afterwards. No use in wasting cheap wine!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  It is 50MB per day. If the PDFs are left there long enough, everyone will be able to download them. Or maybe they can be hosted at lloydevans.info.

  I haven't seen them and missed the livestream. Hopefully there will be a recap video in the near future.
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  Why are the 2 newly appointed Governing Body Members from Bethel, when there are anointed ones all over the world? they could have used.

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  library.

  books & brochures.

  enjoy life forever!—an interactive bible course.

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  fulano: @ picture 1. Were those boots on sale?

  Russell's in the picture, so I'm thinking that he sold the boots to everyone else. In which case, I doubt they were on sale. Maybe he called them "Miracle Boots."
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  389 just now. His low point before his begging video was 390, wasn't it?