Posts by TonusOH

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Does becoming (or remaining) one of Jehovah's Witnesses result in Poverty? Pew Research results differ from Watchtower claims.

by Balaamsass2 in

"raised in the truth" during the 50s, 60s,and 70s i repeatedly read and heard from the platform how reading the magazines weekly "was the equivalent of a college education" and how many had turned their family economic situation around by being "trustworthy" and giving up expensive bad habits most "worldly people" had.

sounded good.. what is the reality?

how does avoiding higher education, and then spending up to 20 hours a week getting ready for, commuting, and then participating in meetings and field service affect family finances?.

TonusOH

Teddnzo: Never bought a house because that would have been a lack of faith.

That would not have been a problem in the congregation I grew up in. About the only people who had houses or nice apartments were the elders and ministerial servants. The rest of us lived in the projects. Not because of faith, mind you. Some (most?) simply couldn't afford it. Others felt that with the end so near, why bother?

Maybe we should have paid more attention to who it was that could afford homes and nice cars. Happily, I bought my first home eight years ago. JWs have only visited once.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

I encourage him to continue to talk about his journey, every last disturbing bit of it. He still believes that he is owed subscriber support and donations, and that those who contribute to his "wages" need to back off and let him be himself.

I'm wondering how many of his remaining supporters are thinking the way that commenter is- how can they recommend his channel now? If this isn't the last straw, what exactly are they recommending to people? At what point do you decide that he has crossed enough lines? What else does he have to do, for you to decide that maybe he isn't the person you want representing you?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

fastJehu: I made the transcription.

You live up to your name, lol. I copy/pasted it, but it will take a while to format it properly. On the other hand, the amount of work the transcribed text saves is immeasurable.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

PS- I see that YouTube has added a transcription option to many videos. At first, I thought it was only if the content creator uploaded a separate transcript but no... it's auto-generated. Man, it would be crazy if someone grabbed the text of his livestream video and dumped it into a text file...

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

Maybe he can score some points by growing a real beard and finally scraping off that grungy mess under his chin.

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Join JW's or DIE - soon!!!

by BoogerMan in

w72 10/1 p. 607 - "they (jw's) know that soon now all who are not true worshipers of jehovah (jw's) will be destroyed.".

how quickly half a century passes by!

2 peter 3:8 - "...one day is with jehovah jw.borg as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

TonusOH

Think what the response would have been if, in 1974, you had told a JW that the "old system of things" would still be around 50 years later. Or if you had told a JW/Bible Student in 1924 that it would still be around 100 years later.

I can tell you for sure that my mother would not have believed you. I remember feeling that I did not have to worry about what I would do once I graduated high school, since Armageddon would occur before that happened. I graduated high school in 1986.

I don't know a single JW who thought we would see the year 2000 before the end came. I wonder how many saw their faith shaken further with each year that passed after that? I know my mother wasn't one of them. Ask her today, and she will tell you that the end is closer than ever and that world events make it clear that humanity cannot go much longer without god's intervention.

She has been saying this since the 1970s. Same message. Same urgency. She apparently is just as convinced now --50 years later-- as she was then. Some JWs will hang on until they pass away, and they will die with the certainty that they will awaken soon after in paradise on Earth.

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Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

by FFGhost in

so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

the “door of the ark” is closed.

TonusOH

“We just don’t know, Jehovah will do the right thing.”

Good of them to finally put some faith in Jehovah.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

KIMSILVIO: It’s my fault that he seems to be looking for a quick fix for his problems rather than look inside himself.

I chuckled at this because, as we all know by now, his favorite 'quick fix' is to blame Kim for his troubles. The troubles which, it must be pointed out, began before she ever said anything publicly.

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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool February 2024

by DerekMoors in

happy new year!

time to give us your vote for lloyd's fall from grace this month.. december 6th he was at 406. as of today, january 3rd, he's at 388. that is exactly, on the dot, where he was january 3rd of last year!

he's lost all gains from his begging videos and reminders and tin cup waving and etc.. so, fire up the shrooms and let us know where you think flab boy will be on february 2nd.

TonusOH

If he doesn't beg: 375

If he does beg: 100

(Okay, kind of kidding with the second figure. I'm going with 375.)

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My grandmother called my mother

by Anony Mous in

so, i’m just posting this as a warning to lurking jws.

if you’re still on the fence, here is a story.. my grandmother, now in her 80s hasn’t talked to anyone in the family for over 20 years ever since my mother was the last one of her children that left ‘the truth’, she had sent my mother a card to never talk to her again.

so here we are 21 years later, she gets a call out of the blue that she needed help, she hadn’t been able to get into her kitchen.

TonusOH

The older JWs spent a long time convinced that the end was imminent, and if that meant cutting off communication with loved ones, so be it. The end would come soon and it was not worth it to risk losing out. And then the years pass, and nothing happens, and one day they are old and realize that they haven't talked to their children in decades and never met their grandchildren and suddenly they wonder why the end hasn't come.

Sadly, a lot of them will dig in their heels because those decades of shunning are a sunk cost and they can't risk it because now the end must be imminent and wouldn't it be a shame, etc. Others finally reach out, crushed because they realize that they'll never get that time back, and they missed out on so much. It damages people and relationships. Shunning is evil.