I'm just glad that it was clear enough so that we do not spend the next six months in court battles.
Not that we will have a peaceful (or even sane) four years. The show has only begun.
TonusOH
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Trump wins
by gavindlt ini am non political and have never voted but nonetheless i have been keenly watching to see how the trump presidential race unfolds.
i believe that his involvement in propelling or influencing a leaning toward bible prophecy will unfold.
how, i can’t say but something tells me that this anomaly and outlier being trump is highly signifiant!
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WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.
the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.
these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.
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TonusOH
I don't think we would be compelled to love if we could not sin. I think it would be very difficult to justify hate if we could not sin. Having fewer excuses to hate seems like another benefit.
Christians also believe that we cannot avoid sinning. Doesn't that mean that we are programmed to do so? Given the choice of not being able to sin versus not being able to stop myself from sinning, I can't see a reason to want the latter. Especially when we consider the potential consequences. I can't see myself doing something like that to another person; it would seem manipulative and extremely cruel.
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WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.
the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.
these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.
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Vanderhoven7: The new creation (Christ in you) does not sin.
All I am asking is why this would not have been so from the beginning. What good comes from allowing people to sin? Especially if the eventual outcome is that our nature is changed to be incapable of sin? Why not start at the end and skip the part where people suffer? Especially when many of them will keep suffering forever and ever?
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WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.
the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.
these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.
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Sea Breeze: When a person accepts God's offer to make him / her a family member, God gives then a new spirit which cannot sin.
So, eventually, he takes away our free will. Why make this conditional on an offer? The offer is unnecessary if he makes us incapable of sinning in the first place. Why not do that from the beginning?
What benefit is there to being able to sin?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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I think he has focused too much on himself and not enough on the content. He was more worried with building a presence and gaining attention and becoming a celebrity within the small world of exJW content, and hoping to branch out to researching religion and promoting atheism. All of that can be done, but the content always has to be the first priority, and it's clear that this wasn't the case. He relied way too much on others to do the most important work.
And that might not have been so bad if he didn't treat everyone else like garbage. Not paying them (or underpaying) for their efforts, being an obnoxious bully the moment someone didn't grovel enough, picking fights out of a desire to be an alpha male, and so on. And, of course, cheating on his wife with sex workers and melting down on a livestream when this was revealed to everyone. If you're going to succeed with the setup he had going, you have to be fair or nice to at least a few people. He could not even manage that.
Which is why he has almost no hope of salvaging the channel or his 'career as an activist.' Who is going to work with someone who will treat you badly, cheat you out of money, and assign credit/blame in a completely self-serving manner? He has to do all the work himself now. No one else to do it. No one else to lay the blame on when things go wrong. No one to bully when the pressure gets to him. No one to cheat out of compensation. It's only a matter of time, now.
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WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.
the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.
these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.
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Sea Breeze: So, How can you claim that the only outcome of free will is catastrophe ?
If we were incapable of committing sin, everyone would be loyal to God and no one would suffer. The world would be a utopia, the afterlife would be spent in heaven with God for eternity.
If people are capable of committing sin, everyone suffers during their lives. They disappoint God and let him down frequently. It got so bad that at one point God wiped out almost all human life on the planet, and doing that did not stop the sin and the suffering. In addition, many people will suffer eternally as a result of exercising free will to commit sin.
How is the second outcome not a catastrophe?
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WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.
the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.
these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.
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Sea Breeze: I can’t see a correlation between an inanimate product and beings with agency and free-will.
If there is a flaw in the design, the designer must be at fault. We should assign blame accordingly.
Sea Breeze: Are you saying God should have made people without free will?
If the only possible outcome of exercising free will is catastrophe, what good is it?
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WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.
the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.
these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.
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TonusOH
If human judges were responsible for the creation of the universe and everything in it, including the design of humans and the human mind, we could apply that reasoning to them.
Under your belief system, we are the products of an advanced intellect bearing unlimited power and energy to create, and capable of perfection in everything he does. His product is defective. He blames the product. Would you allow a human manufacturer to get away with this kind of reasoning?
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PRESIDENTIAL predictions...let the prognosticators have their say!
by Terry inmy only prowess in making predictions stems from my 77-years of life in the united statesgrowing up under president truman, eisenhower, kennedy, nixon, .....etc.
etc.i was a widdle kid sitting in front of a tiny black and white tv set when the very first broadcastsof political conventions, deal-making, debates (nixon vs kennedy), assassinations (jfk, rfk, martin luther king, etc.
) i grew up with duck and cover under my elementary schooldesk, the cold war, the iron curtain, the korean war, the vietnam war and i went to federal prisonas a jw conscientious objector while hippies, flower children, political activists protested and universitystudents were fired up on by troops.i grew up reading newspapers (2 of them).
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peacefulpete: The rest of the first world will shake their heads in disbelief and mock American credulity and embrace of hate.
The USA has been the 800lb gorilla in the room for decades now. With that kind of attention (and with our history) the rest of the world has been holding its collective nose for a long time. That won't change.
I have no idea who will win. I do know that the losing side will almost certainly cry foul and head to the courts, while the winning side will decry this action, even though we know they would both do the same thing if the roles were reversed. Either way, we will not have people in place to really deal with the global issues we are facing, and we will have four years of turmoil.
Maybe we will fuck things up badly enough for the electorate to realize that putting idiots and decrepit geezers in the White House is a stupid idea. We might not have many bright lights in politics, but can we at least get someone in there who isn't too old or utterly incapable? Is this the best we can do, out of a pool of hundreds of millions?
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Where do you see the Organization in the next 10 years?
by ukpimo inrealistically, between now and 2034, what do you think watchtower will change or reform to appear more mainstream?
what business opportunities do you see watchtower getting involved in?.
my predictions are as follows: .
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mikeflood: It's gonna be just weekly meeting on any weekday... ruining weekends shouldn't be tolerated...
Most Christian denominations meet primarily or exclusively on weekends. Having one meeting during the week and none on the weekend seems unusual to me. A one or two-hour meeting on a Sunday morning would be pretty typical for most Christians, wouldn't it?