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48

No Questions, No Answers!

by bjc2012 in

the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.

it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.

and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.

Smitty

Mentioning no names. One of MDS's original follower's told me that.

Edited by - smitty on 22 October 2002 16:47:49

48

No Questions, No Answers!

by bjc2012 in

the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.

it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.

and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.

Smitty

However, they will continue to co-exist for a time...still staying together for a period of time. But their "division" will become more pronounced, AFTER October of 2001. It will become visible at that time, much more open, as to their "differences." Thus, a visible, major split is foretold in prophecy for the nation of "Israel," Jehovah's Witnesses at that time. The split will become visible...open for the public and all to see, an already existing split...for now about 2 years.

Smitty

48

No Questions, No Answers!

by bjc2012 in

the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.

it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.

and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.

Smitty

MDS's October 7th 2001 prophecy:

October 7, 2001 -- A Date of "Infamy" For All Jehovah's Witnesses Earthwide

Upcoming "Events" & The "Great Tribulation" Upon Mystery "Israel" -- Jeremiah 30:7; Matthew 24:21, 22; Rev. 7:14

The Bible makes a number of serious "predictions" about the future of mystery "Israel," ... whom I propose to be Jehovah's Witnesses of our time. (I realize that many will object to such an assumption...smile). However, in this treatise, it will be explained, exactly why this is so and why Jehovah's Witnesses are to be understood as mystery "Israel" of Bible prophecy.

Still, I propose Bible prophecy speaks about God's dealings with them, now and in the future. For example it speaks of the coming fate of "Israel," how they fare, in the future days ahead, because of being led by wicked men, spiritual "rebels" against God...those who will (in the days ahead) succumb to "smooth words" of "apostasy" against God. -- Daniel 8:23 NIV; Daniel 11:32 NWT

The Bible predicts the sudden and unexpected uprising of a mysterious "king of the North" who comes into power by "intrigue." He is a "master of intrigue" as the NIV's rendering of Daniel 8:23 shows.

His coming into power by surprise, even "intrigue" and his subsequent and unforeseen "bearing down" in spiritual OPPRESSION of mystery "Israel" are surely in the days shortly ahead for us. To be sure, "trustworthy words" have spoken of it...predicted it. -- Isa. 55:10, 11; Rev. 22:6 (NIV)

That surprise spiritual OPPRESSION & PERSECUTION upon mystery "Israel" of Bible prophecy, will become a totally unexpected period for God's Name People of intense persecution, in what the Bible calls the "Great Tribulation"...a limited and specific period of time...followed by a specific period of time of disgrace, shame and ignominy. -- Matthew 24;21, 22; Revelation 7:14; 11:8-10

Thus, the "Great Tribulation" is actually upon God's Chosen People...it is fully upon them, solely by design. It will be used to fully "refine" God's Name People. It comes first upon God's Name People, and it is clearly ahead of us, as events that are described in Daniel 11:41...a scripture that the WTS consistently refuses to see, acknowledge or explain to their brotherhood.

But we remember, "Judgment" always "begins" with the "House of God," those "bearing His Name." Always...whether they expect it or not. -- See Jer. 25:29 (NIV); 1 Peter 4:17 NWT

How Events Unfold For Mystery "Israel"

We remember Daniel 11:40 speaks of a "pushing" made by the "King of the South." Per WT publications, the "pushing" action we remember was suppose to describe the "cold war" events FOLLOWING World War II or 1945. A position that JWs have maintained for many years. The "pushing" of the "King of the South" occurs AFTER 1945...these are Events since that time...right?

So, what does Daniel 11:40, 41 say happens next, right after the "pushing" of the "King of the South"?

"...the king of the North will STORM with chariots and with horsemen and with many ships; and he will certainly enter into the lands and flood over and pass through. He will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many ***[notice: "lands"]***that will be made to stumble..." -- NWT

So after the "pushing"...real WAR occurs!

But what is the WTS' position, their "explanation" of this apparent situation? What is it?

Please consult the WTS' publications...

You will see there is none.

Thus, lack of explanation for Daniel 11:40, 41, the ignoring of this powerful part of Bible prophecy will indeed cost mystery "Israel" terribly, terribly.

This is an overt mistake...but allowed by Divine Providence for a reason...refinement.

If we were to check our bound volumes of WTS publications on this scripture for commentary on Daniel 11:40 & 41, we will clearly see a SERIOUS mistake has been made, a scripture totally OVERLOOKED. You may be astonished to find out the WTS simply does not explain it at all.

Check w84 4/1 pages 17-19; w81 7/15 page 6...and of course the new publication "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" pages 277, 278.

After checking, you will see there is no explanation for the "storming" of the "king of the North" as retaliation for the "pushing" of the "King of the South." And after that particular "storming" and "flooding" over his enemies... his stampeding thru the "land of decoration," (mystery "Israel") -- supposedly the "holy estate" of Jehovah's Witnesses according to the WTS.

As mentioned above, Verse 41 of Daniel 11th chapter, is translated as "many [lands] are stumbled" when the "king of the North" comes thru the "land of Decoration." But we notice the words "lands" are inserted, as they are not there in the original Hebrew text. It is an "inserted" word by some Bible translators, including the WTS' "New World Translation" itself.

This proves to be a serious mistake of no little magnitude.

It opens the doors for the "Great Tribulation" itself, coming upon mystery "Israel." A terrible, intense period of persecution heaped upon "Israel," and limited (on account of the "chosen ones" Jesus said Matt. 24:22) to "42 months" of dominance, intimidation followed by a distinct period of humiliation and disgrace. It is clearly, God allowed... God ordained upon mystery "Israel", God's Name People...the reason he, the King of the North, is ALLOWED, PERMITTED, to "blaspheme" or "slander" God's Personal Name. -- Daniel 7:25; Romans 2:24; Rev. 11:8-10; 13:5-7

To set the stage for these terrific events, the Bible forecasts a "Great War" ahead for this world. (See Dan. 10:1 NIV) During this period or "Great War," also known as the "Ride of the Red (Fiery-colored) Horse" and "Horseman" of Revelation 6:4, the WTS will make another terrible, unforgiveable "mistake" in judgment, a misreading of this "Great War" situation. During the "Great War" of Daniel 10:1 (NIV), the WTS will presume that this, and the unprecendent Great Destruction and carnage resulting from this "War," surely leads to "Armageddon," and the destruction of all human governments upon earth today. They will surely believe this.

Thus, we have arrived at the core of this "critical" situation.

Yes, the WTS actually, unwittingly, "seizes the moment." They can be confidently expected to foolishly "seize the opportunity", the "Great War", and "milk" the situation for "all its worth." Ignorant, uninformed, followers will "eat it up." We can count on it.

Even today, we see attitudes for "building up" of such an attitude, already among the flock of JWs. We see this now!

Therefore, during the "Great War" shortly ahead, the WTS will foolishly and unwittingly PROCLAIM SUCH TO THE WORLD, and to the flock.

This "MISTAKE," this foolish blunder in judgment, will prove to be fatal for them, and will virtually (though not completely) put them "out of business" as the self-proclaimed, "spirit-directed", but yet, non-inspired, "prophets" before God and mankind. -- Zechariah 13:4-6

This is because the Bible reveals the "Great War," WILL NOT lead to "Armageddon," at all as expected...no, no but to an TOTALLY UNEXPECTED, an UNanticipated period of PEACE. Peace," yes, "peace," between nations...peace, AFTER the "Great War." In other words, the "Sword-stroke," the "death-stroke" upon the "head" of one particularly "beastly" figure who has engaged himself in war, will indeed, "BE HEALED." Suddenly...quickly. It is an unexpected event to many. -- Revelation 13:3, 12, 14

And immediately after such "peace" is proclaimed, yes "peace and security" is proclaimed by mankind in general -- the terrible, terrible "trampling of Jerusalem" of period of "42 months" begins immediately, without warning upon spiritual "Israel." The "Great Tribulation" now begins upon mystery "Israel" as a form of discipline...something the spiritual nation does not expect at all...these leaders are "revealed" as "sons of darkness." The "Man of Lawlessness." -- 1 Thess. 5:1-4

Mystery "Israel," is completely "dumbfounded", speechless. The WTS is found to be truly "false prophets" and everyone can see it. They have been silenced, they are "dumbfounded", speechless.

"...and the people of earth, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life before the world began, WILL BE DUMBFOUNDED [Greek: "Thaumos"] at his REAPPEARANCE after beng dead." -- Revelation 17:8 The Living Bible

Therefore, during this unexpected "peace," during a time of proclaimations of "peace and security," yes, during that time of peace, then...

..."sudden destruction is INSTANTLY" upon Israel... as being led by wicked, dastardly, spiritual "sons of darkness" ... the G.B. & WTS. The "man of lawlessness" will be fully "revealed" at this time, as "sons of darkness." The false "god" in Jehovah God's "temple", the self-exalting "god" that "publicly shows himself", "exalts himself" to be an actual "god" in God's Temple arrangement. -- 1 Thess. 5:2-4; 2 Thess. 2:3-12

Now, the START and BEGINNING of the "Great Tribulation" is upon "instantly upon" mystery "Israel." It was totally unforeseen. Yes, WORLDWIDE PERSECUTION will come upon mystery "Israel", God's Name People, Jehovah's Witnesses, as a nation, quickly, "instantly," world-wide.

In the days immediately ahead, Zechariah 12:2,3 shows "Jerusalem" will come under powerful, restraint, "seige" even, by the world at large. Certain "events" have caused this to occur, EVEN BEFORE the "Great War" is concluded...even before. A milder but much needed "righteous indignation" from God for the practice of "sin." But this is NOT ALL that comes upon them, since "sinful" Israel, does not repent...does not see the need for "repentance" before their God, Jehovah. Even though, the "Reformers", the "Sheiks of Judah" and "inhabitants of Jerusalem", the "Two Witnesses" movement of Revelation 11th chapter strongly advocates "repentance", demonstrated and depicted in scripture as wearing "sackcloth" garments...still, no repentance, on the part of "Israel." They ignore this "repentance" message from the "Two Witnesses." For this, mystery "Israel" will indeed, experience many "words of abuse" against them, during this time, from the world at large...all during this time of advocated "repentance" for the nation. -- See Ezekiel 36:12-14; Zechariah 12:2-8; Isaiah 43:28; Revelation 11:3-6

However, AFTER the "Great War," mystery "Israel," will be considered, earthwide "enemies" of mankind in general . However, during the 3 1/2 year "witnessing" period of "repentance" by the "Two Witnesses" to the JW Organization, particularly in the last year and a half of it, "Israel" will surely experience stinging, "abusive words" and other, comparatively milder forms of persecution directed at them because of a practice of unforeseen practice "sin" before God. Nevertheless, because of "sin" of leadership, thus the whole nation of "Israel" is guilty and must "answer" to God, according to Leviticus 4:3. The scriptural principle holds true today. -- Please carefully consider Ezekiel 36:12-14.

However, the ensuing "persecution" will be endured, tolerated, and overlooked and thus, NOT interpreted as God Ordained by the spiritual "Nation" in general because any "sinning" on their part as an international people carrying His Name. To be expected. Big mistake on the spiritual Nation's part.

Therefore something more is needed to really get their "attention." Real Persecution! So, AFTER the "Great War," this will all change. Change (Repentance) is actually forced upon mystery "Israel", at that time, the time of the "Great Tribulation," the "Great Distress" of Jeremiah 30:7. -- Revelation 7:14

Again, this all occurs because of the presence of a newly "crowned" world military power. And, it doesn't take long to find out, this new "king of the North," is not amused at all by the presence of the likes of spiritual "Israel." He has no tolerance at all for them, in their present mindset. Thus, with the backing of his great "war" machine behind him and political influence, he will insist upon spiritual "compromise" for the spiritual "nation." He will accept no less than TOTAL COMPROMISE from mystery "Israel." No less...the "mark of the beast." -- Revelation 13:16, 17

So, after the United States of American (As "King of the South") suffers, an embarrassing, humiliating, horrible defeat at his hands...peace comes. And, with that "peace" comes "sudden destruction," "instantly," ... the "Great Tribulation" upon God's Own Name People...mystery "Israel", Jehovah's Witnesses, led by spiritual "rebels" against God's "Holy Covenant." Also, the start of this attack on JWs, can also be considered the beginning of the "last week" of Daniel's 70-week prophecy...the start or beginning of the "Great Tribulation" upon "Israel" or "Jerusalem" ... modern-day Jehovah's Witnesses as a nation. -- Daniel 8:23; 11:30, 32; 1 Thess. 5:1-4; Daniel 9:24-27

And so we can see clearly that Bible prophecy indicates our world's scene will change drastically, AFTER these events take shape...after the "Great War." The "ride of the fiery-colored" horse of Revelation 6:4. And so, Jehovah's Witnesses as a people, will have to "change," to accommodate the situation...completely change, to appease this unexpected leader, the "King of the North." He is not fond of mystery "Israel," Jehovah's Witnesses at all.

And thus because of such unexpected "events" ahead, those that choose to "stay with the JW organization" at this time, will indeed, be "led into apostasy by smooth words" of the "King of the North." They will willingly accept and "receive the mark of the beast" as those in power at the helm of the organization will direct them to do so...during such an unexpected, unforeseen difficult time. -- Daniel 11:30-32; Revelation 13:16, 17

The Bible clearly speaks of, "predicts," changing political upheavals ahead, changes in policy as to how mystery "Israel", (Jehovah's Witnesses as a nation) will be handled and viewed by the world in general, governments of the world, in the days ahead. After the "Great War," spoken of in Daniel 10:1 NIV. -- See Matt. 24:7; Rev. 6:4.

Bible prophecy indicates that a major split or major break in the brotherhood of Jehovah's Witnesses, resulting in two factions of JWs, divided off from each other, but co-existing within the same worldwide congregational fold at the same time will occur. This division, which already exists, become MORE ACUTE AFTER, the pivotal date of October 7, 2001...the anniversary date of carrying the Name of God upon themselves as a spiritual nation for 70 YEARS!

WHY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE GOD'S PEOPLE, MYSTERY "ISRAEL" OF OUR TIMES

October 2001, is the 70th anniversary of the time when all JW congregations worldwide were in position to fully understand what it meant to accept that Name, to carry that Name, Preach that Name, the Name of God, upon themselves. They AGREED before God, Jesus Christ and all of the Heavenly Host, and even earthling man, yes, to carry that Great Name upon themselves -- To carry the weighty responsibility to "Live Up to that Great Name," upon themselves. It was a Covenant Arrangement between God and themselves as a Nation. Numbers 6:27 shows, God's "Blessings" came upon them as a "Covenanted" People before Him...because they agreed to "carry His Name upon themselves. -- See Deut. 26:2; Deut. 28:10; 1 Kings 8:41-43; 2 Chron. 7:14; Daniel 9:19; Jeremiah 25:29; Acts 15:14; Acts 15:17; Romans 2:24; 1 Timothy 6:1; Hebrews 6:10; Revelation 14:1

Mystery "Israel," The Answer: Jehovah's Witnesses are mystery "Israel," because primarily, they carry God's Name upon themselves, as a spiritual nation or people. Thus they have been permitted to enter a "Covenant" Relationship with Him, because of this. This could only have happened, unless God allowed it.

At present, because of bad leadership, the spiritual nation is "acting wickedly against that Covenant." (Let it be noted, there are other practices and teachings of the nation of Jehovah's Witnesses which also help us to identify them as mystery "Israel" of our day that are NOT mentioned in this treatise.) -- Daniel 11:30

It was indeed, the time when the spiritual nation began to embrace that Great Name before others, yes, preach that accepted identification, that Great Name, unto the world at large. A very, very heavy responsibility indeed...to "declare that Name" to others. -- Deut. 32:3 Psalms 105:1,3; 2 Timothy 2:19

Notice,

"In order that the leaders of the world might be duly notified of this proper designation for Jehovah's people this resolution [adopted previously July 26, 1931 at Columbus, Ohio Assembly] and the text of Brother Rutherford's convention address were published in the booklet The Kingdom the Hope of the World...During October of that year [1931, exactly 70 years ago] a campaign was conducted by the congregations to visit every clergyman, politician and big businessman in their territories with this booklet. In just the United States and Canada 132,066 booklets were put out in this way. Within the next few months this booklet reached the homes of five million others in all parts of the earth." -- Jehovah's Witnesses In the Divine Purpose (pub. 1959), page 126, par. 2

October 1931 -- October 2001 ... a 70-year period...of Carrying God's Name...a period of special "Discipline" or instruction from Him...70 Years of Discipline Upon Israel.

These events spoken of in this writing, are sure to come, based upon Bible prophecy. The "Reformers", make up the "Two Witness" Movement of Revelation 11th chapter, as we see it among JWs as a nation...as they work among them today. Even now, the "Reformers" and the Non-Reformers co-exist together in the JW Organization. We are quite aware that many JWs are not for any form of "reform" at all. They follow the presumed "F&D Slave" implicitly, completely without question. Still, very shortly both groups will be divided by "heated issues"...after October 7, 2001.

However, they will continue to co-exist for a time...still staying together for a period of time. But their "division" will become more pronounced, AFTER October of 2001. It will become visible at that time, much more open, as to their "differences." Thus, a visible, major split is foretold in prophecy for the nation of "Israel," Jehovah's Witnesses at that time. The split will become visible...open for the public and all to see, an already existing split...for now about 2 years.

This VISIBLE split occurs, as Bible prophecy indicates approximately the same time the "King of the North" in the person of the "small horn," surfaces on the earth's scene...when the spiritual "rebels" against God, "act to a completion." This will be a time for special ACTION for the "sheiks of Judah," who are urged on by the "inhabitants of Jerusalem," reformer supporters. The "Sheiks of Judah" will be encouraged by these newfound supporters, the "inhabitants of Jerusalem." It will be during this time, a time of special "blindness" dealt out by Jehovah God upon "Israel's" leaders for the practice of "sin" when the "Sheiks of Judah" wreak havoc upon the JW organization, and the fight, the differences become quite VISIBLE. -- Please carefully consider Zechariah 12:4-6.

At this time, the "1,260 days" of "witnessing" or "prophesying" on the part of the "Two Witness" Movement, will indeed, be nearing its finish or completion ...with close to 2 years of that particular period of "witnessing" already passed...the "break in the brotherhood" of "Israel," between "Judah" and "Israel", will now be more pronounced, more discernable...all around this Great Anniversary Date of October 7, 2001. God is always on time to carry out His Word. Bible Prophecy brings it all together for us...in perfect blend and perfect harmony. -- Zechariah 11:14; Daniel 8:23; Revelation 11:3; Isaiah 19:2-4; 55:8-11

After all of this occurs, you O Israel, will surely know, "that a prophet has surely been in your midst." -- Ezekiel 2:5

Just as these things start to occur, a small "remnant" from "Israel" (the "Tents of Judah") will begin to see, how lovingly, Jehovah God has provided many, many clues to assist his people during this time of "Great Distress," through Bible Prophecy. This is something we will have to admit, when we see these events occur...Even those who scoff. -- Zechariah 12:7; Amos 3:7; Jeremiah 30:7; 1 John 4:8; Acts 13:40, 41

"Alas! For that day is a great one, so that there is no other like it [the "Great Tribulation" upon "Jacob"], and it is the time of distress for Jacob [or "Israel"]. But he will be saved even out of it." -- Jeremiah 30:7

Yes, mystery Israel "will be saved even out of it," ... this "Great Tribulation" coming upon the spiritual nation, for their many acts of "sin" and "transgression" against God. The God of the "Holy Covenant" that they VIOLATE continually...following the wicked, nefarious "Man of Lawlessness," who is UNREVEALED at the time of this writing before "Israel." -- Revelation 7:14; 2 Thess. 2:3-12

I repeat, Bible prophecy clearly shows the uprising of the "small horn" to be a real force to be reckoned with, militarily. He makes his appearance, his initial appearance, when spiritual "Rebels" of lawlessness or religious apostasy, leaders among God's Name People, act to introduce and scripturally justify the full acceptance and presence of the "Disgusting thing that causes Desolation" who is now all of a sudden, to the "horror" of many, now being allowed to "stand in a holy place", in the place that they previously were made to understand, the place where he "ought not" to be "standing," ... in close, intimate proximity to the "camp" of mystery "Israel"! -- Matt. 24:15, 16; Mark 13:14

When Jehovah's Witnesses "catch sight" of this despicable scene, they must use "discernment", interpret the events immediately, and as Jesus said, and "flee" immediately. -- Matt. 24:15, 16; Mark 13:14

Daniel 8:23 says,

"In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked [leaders of "Israel"], a stern-faced King, a master of intrigue, will arise." -- New International Version

Or this rendering,

"And in the final part of their kingdom [Israel], as the transgressors act to a completion, there will stand up a KING FIERCE IN COUNTENANCE and understanding ambiguous sayings." -- New World Translation

Yes, the real spiritual "transgressors" among mystery "Israel", Jehovah's Witnesses, are the spiritual leaders of Mystery "Israel," the "Man of Lawlessness." And for them, this is a specific time of special "transgression" on their parts...October 7, 2001. -- 2 Thess. 2:3-12; Matthew 24:15, 16; Mark 13:14

To be sure, he is coming, the "small horn," ... the terrible "king of the North", the "master of intrigues" who will after the "Great War," lead mystery "Israel" by means of "smooth words" ... into complete "APOSTASY" against God. -- Daniel 8:9; 11:30-32

October 7, 2001 will be a serious "day" for all of mystery "Israel" of Bible prophecy...a day where the "reader must use discernment", a day of earth-shaking decision for all Jehovah's Witnesses earthwide. -- Matt. 24:15; Mark 13:14

MDS

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48

No Questions, No Answers!

by bjc2012 in

the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.

it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.

and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.

Smitty

Good thinking BJC. Get off the topic and avoid the challenge I made. End of conversation.

Smitty

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King Solomon

by Cicatrix in

okay, maybe i'm ignorant, but i can't stop thinking about this.. it's recorded in the bible that jehovah gave solomon great wisdom.

so why did he eventually turn away from jehovah and start serving the gods of his foreign born wives?it would seem to me that that increased wisdom from jehovah would make him more likely to continue to serve jehovah faithfully.. this also brings to mind the account of adam and eve and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.. i considered this from the angle that solomon used his free will and chose to oppose jehovah.

but is free will really "free" if you are punished with death for disobeying the creator???.

Smitty

Hi. One can have great wisdom and not act wisely. It's like a child knowing better, but does it anyway. That's why the proverb tells us to gaurd our heart for out of it are the sources of life. Prov. 4:22-24

Smitty

48

No Questions, No Answers!

by bjc2012 in

the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.

it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.

and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.

Smitty

Okay BJC. I'm going to do you a favor. We'll put this thing on a public time-line for all to keep up with Okay? Let's get this straight first.

1) What is to happen for us to see in 6 months? Let's keep it simple and concise.

2) What magnitude of a war are we waiting for before these 6 months is up and how long will it last? Just another attack or a war greater than World War I & II ??

3) And what will happen to the WT in this 6 months period.

Remember simple and concise Okay?

After you post your answers I'll start a thread to monitor MDS's predictions. This way all will see true or not. Okay? Simple and concise, now.

P.S.- no need to refer to me or others as stupid or cronies. It really reflects badly of oneself when that's done. So, let's stay kind and polite. Just a suggestion.

Smitty

Edited by - smitty on 20 October 2002 8:2:13

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No Questions, No Answers!

by bjc2012 in

the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.

it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.

and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.

Smitty

Hi Logical. I'm familiar with the group that was originally formed with MDS and BJC. I also studied his material on my own. His first following (1990) was quite sizable and collectively found several scriptural jewels. But once they saw where it was leading, nowhere, they split. Even today they say he's waiting on a WAR. When the Gulf War didn't prove to be the Big One, they knew he was another doomsayer .

Smitty

Edited by - smitty on 18 October 2002 21:23:52

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No Questions, No Answers!

by bjc2012 in

the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.

it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.

and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.

Smitty

Hi BJC2012. I only need one thing to verify a prophets validity. Deuteronomy 18:22

If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

The WT showed us many twisted scriptures. We went for it because they knew more about the scriptures than we did. MDS knows more about the scriptures than we do also. One can easily twist the scriptures to go over ones head, but will Jehovah back it up? That's the question you should grapple with. Case in point:

MDS taught Saddam Hussein was the king of the north in 1990 during the gulf war. And the "Mother of all Battles" was the great one mentioned in the book of Daniel. How can you say he's a true prophet??? He can preach all he wants, Jehovah will never support him. He's been revealed as a false prophet. He can't be used now.

Did MDS not teach this to his followers in 1990? Was the gulf war not to be the Great War? Was not Saddam taught to be the "King of the North" ?? Answer this BJC. Tell us about 1990.

Do you need more reminders.

Smitty

Edited by - smitty on 18 October 2002 9:51:39

48

No Questions, No Answers!

by bjc2012 in

the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.

it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.

and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.

Smitty

BJC2012. I have to admit though, MDS is a brilliant bible scholar. It's no refuting that. I've studied his material; quite brilliant to say the least. I can see how people can be mislead to following men. His teachings are very convincing. The only thing I see that can refute his claims is time disproves his words. He changes his explanation with time like the WT. In other words, Jehovah lets his words fall to the ground.

The LORD was with Samuel as he grew up, and he let none of his words fall to the ground. And all Israel from Dan to Beersheba recognized that Samuel was attested as a prophet of the LORD . Samuel 3:19

That's the evidence against him scripturally. So, if you can show the fulfillment of his words, please show it.

Smitty

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No Questions, No Answers!

by bjc2012 in

the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.

it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.

and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.

Smitty

BJC2012. I'm famillar with MDS's prophecies, all of them. Theyr'e all listed on this board. They can be searched for by using "October 7th", "MDS", etc.... Which one of these prohphecies have come true. Which ones are accurate??? Please help us see the true light if you will. This is your opportunity to show the validity of MDS.

Smitty

Edited by - smitty on 17 October 2002 9:3:21