Good thinking BJC. Get off the topic and avoid the challenge I made. End of conversation.
Smitty
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
Good thinking BJC. Get off the topic and avoid the challenge I made. End of conversation.
Smitty
okay, maybe i'm ignorant, but i can't stop thinking about this.. it's recorded in the bible that jehovah gave solomon great wisdom.
so why did he eventually turn away from jehovah and start serving the gods of his foreign born wives?it would seem to me that that increased wisdom from jehovah would make him more likely to continue to serve jehovah faithfully.. this also brings to mind the account of adam and eve and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.. i considered this from the angle that solomon used his free will and chose to oppose jehovah.
but is free will really "free" if you are punished with death for disobeying the creator???.
Hi. One can have great wisdom and not act wisely. It's like a child knowing better, but does it anyway. That's why the proverb tells us to gaurd our heart for out of it are the sources of life. Prov. 4:22-24
Smitty
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
Okay BJC. I'm going to do you a favor. We'll put this thing on a public time-line for all to keep up with Okay? Let's get this straight first.
1) What is to happen for us to see in 6 months? Let's keep it simple and concise.
2) What magnitude of a war are we waiting for before these 6 months is up and how long will it last? Just another attack or a war greater than World War I & II ??
3) And what will happen to the WT in this 6 months period.
Remember simple and concise Okay?
After you post your answers I'll start a thread to monitor MDS's predictions. This way all will see true or not. Okay? Simple and concise, now.
P.S.- no need to refer to me or others as stupid or cronies. It really reflects badly of oneself when that's done. So, let's stay kind and polite. Just a suggestion.
Smitty
Edited by - smitty on 20 October 2002 8:2:13
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
Hi Logical. I'm familiar with the group that was originally formed with MDS and BJC. I also studied his material on my own. His first following (1990) was quite sizable and collectively found several scriptural jewels. But once they saw where it was leading, nowhere, they split. Even today they say he's waiting on a WAR. When the Gulf War didn't prove to be the Big One, they knew he was another doomsayer .
Smitty
Edited by - smitty on 18 October 2002 21:23:52
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
Hi BJC2012. I only need one thing to verify a prophets validity. Deuteronomy 18:22
If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
The WT showed us many twisted scriptures. We went for it because they knew more about the scriptures than we did. MDS knows more about the scriptures than we do also. One can easily twist the scriptures to go over ones head, but will Jehovah back it up? That's the question you should grapple with. Case in point:
MDS taught Saddam Hussein was the king of the north in 1990 during the gulf war. And the "Mother of all Battles" was the great one mentioned in the book of Daniel. How can you say he's a true prophet??? He can preach all he wants, Jehovah will never support him. He's been revealed as a false prophet. He can't be used now.
Did MDS not teach this to his followers in 1990? Was the gulf war not to be the Great War? Was not Saddam taught to be the "King of the North" ?? Answer this BJC. Tell us about 1990.
Do you need more reminders.
Smitty
Edited by - smitty on 18 October 2002 9:51:39
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
BJC2012. I have to admit though, MDS is a brilliant bible scholar. It's no refuting that. I've studied his material; quite brilliant to say the least. I can see how people can be mislead to following men. His teachings are very convincing. The only thing I see that can refute his claims is time disproves his words. He changes his explanation with time like the WT. In other words, Jehovah lets his words fall to the ground.
The LORD was with Samuel as he grew up, and he let none of his words fall to the ground. And all Israel from Dan to Beersheba recognized that Samuel was attested as a prophet of the LORD . Samuel 3:19
That's the evidence against him scripturally. So, if you can show the fulfillment of his words, please show it.
Smitty
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
BJC2012. I'm famillar with MDS's prophecies, all of them. Theyr'e all listed on this board. They can be searched for by using "October 7th", "MDS", etc.... Which one of these prohphecies have come true. Which ones are accurate??? Please help us see the true light if you will. This is your opportunity to show the validity of MDS.
Smitty
Edited by - smitty on 17 October 2002 9:3:21
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
Where did MDS say, ahead of time, that Osama Bin Laden would do anything or refer to him as this destructive king? And where did MDS predict what he would do??? Remember, we need to see the words of the prophet, "MDS." Where did he prophecy about these things. Quotes please.
Smitty
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
As I asked, what prophecies have been fullfill? Please quote the statements that were made and how it was fulfilled or link to the prophecies stated.
Smitty
Edited by - smitty on 16 October 2002 17:26:43
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
Hi again.
What of these things you mention have come to pass, that we can see, of course? Or are these new prophecies that we are to await?
What about the prophecies that were to occur in fall 2001. Remember???
Smitty