do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
Hooberus: Why does he need to answer it without using the Bible?
Well that's the point. You can't.
When you're so indoctrinated that you don't even get that ...
The Bible is an obstacle to knowledge, not a source for it. The Bible offers the ignorant, limited world view of bronze and Iron Age agrarian people.
It's not exactly relevant for our 21st Century except perhaps for historical, anthropological perspective.
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
Unsure: That passage mentions A way to be saved but doesn't say it is the ONLY way
Ok, for the third time: What makes you think you need to be "saved"?
Can you answer that without using the Bible and specifically without using a WT spin on it?
Why do you keep avoiding this question?
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
Thank you Lisa Rose, I asked that same question--more or less--on page 2 of this thread. Still waiting for a response from the OP on that one!
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
Unsure: this is a group of like minded individuals
Well that is most certainly NOT true.
Probably the only thing we all agree on is that JWs do not have "the Truth."
After that, we're all trying to figure it out for ourselves, and that's the beautiful thing. You can disagree here, question, debate, change your mind.
You can't do any of those things in the Kingdom Hall.
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
Unsure: ... and who once went through the same mental gymnastics I'm going through right now after experiencing the same thing
This is an important point. After losing our religion it is only natural to question our beliefs. I call it the "what the heck do I believe now" stage of the post-cult experience.
It's a process and it takes time and hard work. One of the things about religions is that they provide easy, ready-made answers. Now you have to figure these things out for yourself, including accepting that there are some things for which you may never know the answer.
But don't worry, you'll be fine.
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
Unsure: I'm not basing my life on that.
Well that's good!
Unsure: I can only reference my own experiences and being a JW was one of them.
Understood. It's the same for me as with most of us here on this forum.
Unsure: All I'm saying is that my view of a loving God is one who accepts those who may not even believe in them.
Then you're golden. You've nothing to worry about. Problem solved.
was there something that was said to you that got the wheel turning in your brain, that caused you to start waking up to ttatt, either by a jw or ex-jw that you didn't know was awake?
i'm trying to think of things i can say or ask of my current family members still in that may help them to start seeing the real truth about the organization.
they think we're still in..
Mentalclarity: I don't want to be that crazy exjw that they'll automatically dismiss because I'm always trying to prove them wrong.
Great point to keep in mind, which is particularly ironic since JWs are always trying to prove everyone else wrong!
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
@Unsure, is that really what you want to base your life on, some "new light" version of God [that] is more passable than some other versions?
after learning the alphabet no other education required.
history would be distorted, science rejected.
i'm surprised that gb didn't realise there is big money in education, big tony could be the professor of bullshit..
They do:
In every case you have completely unqualified people attempting to train and "teach" others. All they really are is indoctrination sessions.
Children must be taught how to think, not what to think. - Margaret Mead
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
Unsure: One thing I think the JWs did right was their refinement of the sheep and the goats.
Why do you refer to the WTBTS having a wrong teaching and then changing it a "refinement"?
Do you understand how that term avoids accountability and a direct admission of error? Do you know what doublespeak is?
Did you notice that you referred to JWs which is the religion as a whole and I referred to the WTBTS meaning the leadership that makes and changes doctrine? Do you understand the difference and why it is an important distinction?
I understand these questions might make you uncomfortable which is exactly why it is important you consider the answers--and your emotions--carefully.
