Sure. What a depressing thing that is to do.
It is important to learn from that and to make the most of whatever time we might have left and live that life to its fullest, savoring every precious moment!
Posts by jp1692
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29Do You Ever Think Of ALL The Wasted Time Because You Were a JW?
by minimus inthe longer you are out the more you see how a cult steals all your time, resources and energy.
we wasted so much because we were witnesses!
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1975 and the burning question/s??
by UnshackleTheChains inok. so i'm sitting there at the convention.
the video comes up about 1975 and the fact that the faithful brother in the video maintained his faith in the bible by adhering to the scripture that says:.
'no one knows the day or the hour as to when the lord is coming'.
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jp1692
UTC, thanks for posting the links to JWFacts!
Newbies gotta know the WT has been lying for a very, very long time.
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1975 and the burning question/s??
by UnshackleTheChains inok. so i'm sitting there at the convention.
the video comes up about 1975 and the fact that the faithful brother in the video maintained his faith in the bible by adhering to the scripture that says:.
'no one knows the day or the hour as to when the lord is coming'.
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jp1692
Sorry you are having to endure that propaganda.
At the risk of stating the obvious, "the date 1975" came from the then current WT leadership and was repeated by countless others in positions of authority.
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why jw's commit suicide?
by notalone inwe all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.
my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.
i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.
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jp1692
Ruby, you added the link to Friedson's paper, "Psychotherapy and the Fundamentalist Client," after I submitted my previous post.
That is an excellent paper on the subject and she does discuss Jehovah's Witnesses directly in the context of fundamentalist, high-demand/control groups. A key component of her over-all thesis is that Jehovah's Witnesses as well all "Fundamentalists who experience psychological distress may hesitate to obtain help from the mental health community."
This is a very real and serious problem.
However, Friedson only addresses suicide in reference to current and ex-members that are dealing with gender and sexuality issues. She does not discuss it among these people in general. Nevertheless, her research is solid and her conclusions informative.
She writes that the "psychological consequences of such attempts to deny one’s self are dire" and (citing Lalich and McLaren, 2010, p. 1311 ) "increase the potential for self-destructive behaviors, such as alcoholism, drug use, and suicide" (2015, p. 700). - [Emphasis added]
It should be noted that Friedson's work is directed toward educating mental health professionals about helping former members of fundamentalist, high-control groups and was not written with the purpose of educating people dealing with those issues or directly helping them. At the time she wrote this paper, she was a doctoral candidate in the clinical psychology program at the Derner Institute for Advanced Psychological Studies at Adelphi University.
Consider this caution she shares with her intended audience, therapists and clinical psychologists:
Therapists who were not raised as Jehovah’s Witnesses may view their patients through their own personal biases; some may see many of the practices and teachings as extreme, contradictory, irrational, and/or unhealthy. The temptation may be to try to refute beliefs that are offensive and/or detrimental (2015, p. 710).
One of Friedson's goals is to create a therapeutic alliance with the patient, an approach which she describes as “culturally sensitive psychotherapeutic interventions” (2015, p. 711).
But to bring this back to the point of the OP, the relevant part of Friedson's work is that a fundamentalist mindset can lead to extreme emotional distress thereby inducing mental disorders such as anxiety and depression, and that the religious pressure to deny self can cause some individuals to become suicidal.
Her purpose in writing was to help therapists not familiar with fundamentalist belief systems treat ex-members suffering from these emotional and mental illnesses, to help them recover and find relief--primarily through cognitive behavioral therapeutic approaches to psychotherapy.
Again, this is not a paper intended for the general public and especially not for someone feeling suicidal.
(FYI: Friedson does not mention or reference Hassan in this paper).
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why jw's commit suicide?
by notalone inwe all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.
my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.
i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.
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jp1692
What do Eilleen Barker or James Penton have to say on the subject of relevance?
It's really tiresome that you throw out these vague assertions and generalizations with no evidence. Every time, and I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME, I have chased down one of your leads I get they same result: they do NOT say what you say and they do not support your assertions.
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why jw's commit suicide?
by notalone inwe all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.
my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.
i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.
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jp1692
Ruby, although Furuli is definitely a scholar by most academic standards, his field of expertise is Semitic languages, not psychology. He is also well known for being a rabid JW apologist:
Based on his studies, Furuli has attempted to defend the religious views of Jehovah's Witnesses—of which Furuli is a member—including their view that Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians in 607 BC rather than the broadly recognised dating of its destruction in 587 BC. - Rolf Furuli
His bias and lack of objectivity is obvious in everything he writes concerning JWs.
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So the GB has admitted that God does not communicate with them. Is there any other religion or person that God speaks to?
by deegee inwt ​february 2017 par.12, p.26:.
" the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.
therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction.
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jp1692
Is there any other ... person that God speaks to?
She speaks to me ...
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jp1692
Spoletta, I took that course once.
Unfortunately I failed it and had to ... (wait for it) ... repeat it, over and over again!
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why jw's commit suicide?
by notalone inwe all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.
my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.
i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.
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jp1692
Ruby: i don't have Furuli's paper in front of me so I cannot comment on your analysis.
Sure you can. Read the direct quotes I posted, my analysis and then comment. If you want to do more, then try and track down a copy of the paper and read it (see my post above).
Ruby:I would like to see the data he mentions too as this may be data he rejects as flawed
The data you reposted immediately above are Furuli's "research" findings. It is what HE reported. He didn't like it though because it doesn't agree with is worldview. It's called cognitive dissonance.
Ruby: it is interesting that Furuli's research chimes with evidence I shared
That's not surprising to me. It's called confirmation bias.
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why jw's commit suicide?
by notalone inwe all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.
my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.
i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.
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jp1692
Correction to my previous post:
I wrote that the early draft of Furuli's paper, “The Mental Health of Jehovah’s Witnesses” was submitted for the 2015 CENSUR conference in Belgium.
The copy I have of his paper bears the copyright notice “© Rolf J. Furuli 2015,” but the conference was actually in 2016, April 21-22.
Also, CENSUR was apparently only one of the partners/sponsors, the main one being The European Observatory of Religion and Secularism.
Here is a link to a flyer showing the conference schedule of presentations and speakers:
As far as I can determine, a final draft of Furuli’s paper was never published formally, although it may be available as part of the Subsidia III collection of conference papers.
If someone has information to the contrary I would appreciate knowing about it.