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  How old would Br. Franz be today if he overlapped himself?

  by waton in

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  `~39, and ~ 59+ years more to go .

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  We now have a JW inspired curse: Go overlap yourself!
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  honesty

  by midnight in

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  regarding the recent 1975 video at the convention it hit me !.

  when reasoning with people about the inspiration of the bible we used the bible writers candor ie/ there honesty when recording bible accounts about there personal mistakes .. how come the governing body despite its claims to be spirit directed are not honest about there mistakes ?.

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  Midnight: how come the governing body despite its claims to be spirit directed are not honest about there [sic] mistakes ?

  Asked and answered.

  They are NOT "spirit-directed." Hell, they don't even have the basic decency of the average person to admit when they are wrong!

  They are liars and liars gotta lie.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

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  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  Steve2: Now, the nations - if they ever paid attention at all - would know that the name of the true God is jw-dot-org. Before this True God, all must bow:

  
  
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  My Boyfriend is a recent Ex Jehovah Witness

  by whatisthis12 in

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  i have been dating my boyfriend for almost a year now.

  when i met him i had no idea that he was a jehovah witness.

  we took a vacation and he lied to his parents about who he was with, and they ended up finding out not only that he way lying, but who i was.

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  WIT12: i'll never be able to understand how a religion can destroy the bond that should naturally exist between a parent and their kid.

  We get this. That's because you do not understand cult dynamics and we do. We have learned this the hard way: through painful, personal experience.

  Learn from our mistakes and save yourself a lot of heartache and grief.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

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  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  SBF, on a more serious note: have you considered the obvious point that--even if JWs are "right" about the divine name--they are so completely and undeniably WRONG about so many other really key doctrinal issues and important issues that there is no way in hell they could possibly be the "one true religion."

  Also, as has been discussed endlessly: no one really knows how to completely spell or accurately pronounce the name that is represented by the tetragrammaton:

  
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

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  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  Rastafarians use "Jah" and "Jehovah."

  Maybe they're the one true religion. Even if they aren't, they have great music and some good weed to smoke mon!
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  so confused!!

  by whatisthis12 in

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  is it possible to keep a somewhat relationship with your family if they are witnesses and have a "worldly" girlfriend?

  i just posted a post, and found this site to be very helpful.

  sorry to repost but my other thread brought up some other questions.

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  WIT12: i don't understand how he would want to go back to a kingdom hall after everything he's already gone through to get out.

  Of course, this would be confusing to you.

  But it's because he hasn't really left the religion completely.

  People "leave" for all kinds of reasons. But--and this has been addressed in your previous thread--if a person still believes that JWs "have the Truth," they may return.

  Most of us on this forum are completely convinced that JWs are just another religion doctrinally, but are worse than most because of their high-control, authoritarian and cultish practices: the coercive control and manipulation of members and the shunning of any and all that leave no matter the reason.

  There is a reason that so many people that responded to your first thread used the term "cult" in their response. Do not ignore this.

  We here are former and wanna-be-former Jehovah's Witnesses. We here have lost family and friends because we left the religion.

  We know of what we speak.
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  My Boyfriend is a recent Ex Jehovah Witness

  by whatisthis12 in

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  i have been dating my boyfriend for almost a year now.

  when i met him i had no idea that he was a jehovah witness.

  we took a vacation and he lied to his parents about who he was with, and they ended up finding out not only that he way lying, but who i was.

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  WIT12, You have received a lot of really good, balanced advice in response to your post.

  I would like to add that it is extremely significant that most of us refer to our former religion as a cult.

  DO NOT MISS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS FACT!

  Most ex-JWs have had many--and for some of us, all--family relationships destroyed as a result of our association with this religion.

  You probably don't like hearing this, but you need to. Ignore it at your own peril. Listen and learn.
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  My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  yes folks.

  over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.

  most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.

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  Darkspilver, thank you for sharing this reference.

  This quote here really addresses my question:

  "The Bible does not comment on the biology of homosexuality, although it acknowledges that some human traits are deeply ingrained."

  Clearly, the WTBTS is avoiding directly commenting on the reality of biology in reference to human sexuality as elucidated by science and abundant empirical data. They hide behind this bit of theological subterfuge and obfuscation: "Since the Bible doesn't comment on it, neither will we."
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  My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  yes folks.

  over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.

  most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.

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  "Millions of heterosexuals ... are able to live happily without fulfilling their sexual urges. Those with homosexual inclinations can do the same if they truly want to please God" (Awake!, December, 2010, p. 22).

  Translation: Millions of people live celibate lives because of situations beyond their control. If you are LGBTQIA, then you can and should too!

  I'm not even going to touch how illogical and fucked-up this WT quote is on it's face. And Slimboyfat is absolutely correct that the "situations are not equivalent."

  But what I DO want to point out is this: It is one thing to deny an "urge" or "temptation." It is quite another thing to deny who you are.

  This is a key difference that--as far as I know--the WT has never addressed and shows a willful blindness in their adamant refusal to acknowledge.

  A person can choose to wear colored socks or not. They can choose to wear tight-pants or not. We cannot choose to change who we are are our core. This is often manifest in behaviors, traits and mannerisms that are intrinsic to our identity and cannot be hidden or covered up by a "WT Approved" set of clothes.

  The implicit message in WT propaganda remains the same: Deny yourself. Become as we are.

  (Of course, this is true of all cults and is in fact one line of proof that a particular group is a cult.) This is why the WTBTS loves trotting out Romans 12:2 in relation to this and related issues:

  And stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

  Scriptures like this seem to add legitimacy to admonitions to deny your true, authentic self. And if you still believe in the authority of the Bible, you will feel its pressure--insistent and unrelentingly corrosive to your soul.