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  Should I stay or should I go?

  by BlackWolf in

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  hello everyone, i haven't posted anything on here for a while and today i just really felt like i needed to get my thoughts together.

  (if you don't know me please read some of my previous posts).

  so pretty much not much has changed in my life, i'm still living with my parents and going to all the meetings and service.

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  Any prison break takes careful, thoughtful planning and a well-timed execution, even one where the only “bars and walls” are purely psychological.
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  Higher Education

  by Brian J in

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  just spent 8 hours in a 1 day elders school last weekend.

  clarification given: "moving forward any elder, ms, or pioneer who themselves or someone under their roof enrolls in higher education, may no longer qualify for privileges in the congregation.

  their qualifications will have to be reviewed by their boe.".

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  For our 2 15 min breaks, there was coffee and bananas sitting in between 2 contribution boxes.

  Well that’s subtle!
  
  
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  Higher Education

  by Brian J in

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  just spent 8 hours in a 1 day elders school last weekend.

  clarification given: "moving forward any elder, ms, or pioneer who themselves or someone under their roof enrolls in higher education, may no longer qualify for privileges in the congregation.

  their qualifications will have to be reviewed by their boe.".

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  Brian: Just spent 8 hours in a 1 day Elders school last weekend

  Just think, that time COULD HAVE BEEN spent getting an actual education instead of bullshit cult indoctrination.

  Hope y’all find a way to escape real soon, Brian.
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  Those of you who can explain mathematical concepts, please reply.

  by compound complex in

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  i know who you are; you posted, rather eloquently, on venus' thread regarding a teacher making a mistake in mathematics.. my brain is not wired to explain concepts that come to you naturally.

  certainly, it is a combination of both your innate ability as well as training in a field in which you excel.

  my question centers on those of us who did well in mathematics but cannot explain what we are doing.

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  Stanford professor Jo Boaler has some great resources on her YouCubed website.

  At Stanford she teaches math teachers how to teach math. One of her main areas of focus is helping students develop math sense and overcome “maths anxiety.”
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  Those of you who can explain mathematical concepts, please reply.

  by compound complex in

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  i know who you are; you posted, rather eloquently, on venus' thread regarding a teacher making a mistake in mathematics.. my brain is not wired to explain concepts that come to you naturally.

  certainly, it is a combination of both your innate ability as well as training in a field in which you excel.

  my question centers on those of us who did well in mathematics but cannot explain what we are doing.

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  CoCo: My brain is not wired to explain concepts that come to you naturally.

  In my experience, I've found that it is easier to teach ideas and concepts which only came to me with difficulty in contrast to those which came quickly and easily to me.

  The reason is probably obvious: by having to work harder to understand a concept, I had to clearly think through the process of "getting it," and had to explicitly recall any and all linking ideas and how they are all related to each other. This makes it easier to explain it to someone else.

  Here is an article you might enjoy which explores the philosophical question of whether or not math is a science:

  • The science checklist applied: Mathematic (UC Berkeley)
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  If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!

  by venus in

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  many people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.

  in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).

  it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.

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  My conception of math teachers allows them to make mistakes without me concluding they do not exist.

  My conception of “god” does not allow the same tolerance for error.
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

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  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  Oops, too late to edit:

  “More subtle reactions on atomic OR quantum levels ... “
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

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  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  This thread has had a great deal of speculation as to whether or not things such as rocks or atoms or quarks could be aware on any level. In the OP, Slimboy fat framed the debate by stating that "Panpsychism is the idea that experience is a property of all matter."

  It has been put forth that this idea is a suggested solution to the problem of consciousness: "We don't know how consciousness arises so maybe it's an innate quality of everything!"

  That, to my mind at least, seems to be the philosophical equivalent of a "God of the Gaps" argument. It lacks a logical foundation and any rigor. It is not based on any direct evidence. It is not falsifiable. In short, it is a completely unscientific proposition.

  Notably absent has been any serious discussion as to how things, including "all matter," could possibly experience awareness. This is why I linked, (way back on page 2 of this thread), the statement from The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness.

  Whether you agree with the assessment and conclusions of the esteemed panel of scientists involved in this statement, you should carefully consider their methods.

  Part of their criteria of determining consciousness involved a thing having the appropriate apparatus to be aware and to experience that. This includes:

  • Sensory Input Device(s) - To experience awareness, an entity or thing must have some way to receive information (data) from its surroundings. For us, these are our eyes, ears, skin, etc. Bats have echolocation and some fish are believed to be able to sense magnetic fields. (See the NatGeo article: "Animal Superpowers" for more.)
  • Processing Apparatus - A thing must then have some kind of neural network or substrate--some kind of apparatus or equipment--to process the data input received. This generally results in a response of some kind.
  • Response - While we can't directly know what it's like to be a bat, we can definitely observe their responses to outside stimuli.

  Applying this methodology to non-living things does not even begin to suggest that inanimate matter experiences awareness.

  Sure, if I hit a rock with a hammer there will be a response. But this can all be explained by Newtonian physics. More subtle reactions on atomic are quantum levels are also explainable by physical, chemical and/or mechanical explanations, none of which involve any alleged "awareness," or data processing resulting in an inwardly motivated response from the item in question as opposed to a reaction caused by an outward force.

  That rock I see outside in my backyard isn't going to get up and move on its own. Never. Ever.

  A review of Newton's Three Laws is useful here methinks.
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  "In a human moment before Jehovah grabbed her"

  by truthseeker in

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  i often wondered how far back the witnesses had been involved with my family.

  my grandmother died at the end of 2013 and while going through her photos we found some of my great-grandmother, dora, who was born in 1901 and died in 1994. there is a photo of dora dated 1946 standing outside her house in east riding, yorkshire.

  on the back of the photo her husband had written "in a human moment before jehovah grabbed her".. my great grandfather, who died before i was born, did not like the witnesses.

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  Great pics and photos. Thanks for sharing!
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  Should I stay or should I go?

  by BlackWolf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello everyone, i haven't posted anything on here for a while and today i just really felt like i needed to get my thoughts together.

  (if you don't know me please read some of my previous posts).

  so pretty much not much has changed in my life, i'm still living with my parents and going to all the meetings and service.

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  jp1692

  Ultimately, the most important relationship we have in this life is the one that we have with our self.

  Continuing to live a fake life is soul-crushing. Living an authentic life is difficult but liberating.

  Begin to build relationships with people that love you for WHO YOU ARE and not for WHAT (you pretend) YOU BELIEVE.

  You don’t need to change everything all at once but you need to begin moving in the direction you want to go or you’ll always remain stuck where you are.

  Brazilian educator and philosopher Paulo Freire wrote: “we make the road by walking.”

  Get moving. Best wishes!