i was having a conversation with a relative who has been inactive for several decades (part of the ‘75 generation) and he argued that a person that is a born in is better off staying in the organization rather than someone like him who lived as a “worldly” person but then became a witness later in life.
he argues that when you’re born in, all you know nothing outside of the organization, so you’re better off in than out, that’s why when born ins leave the org, they always come back.
i agree that as a born in, your social circle is composed of witnesses but i do feel that even born ins would be happier outside of the org than being in.
The use of the term “worldly” in the OP reveals Jules’ relative is thinking within the JW mindset and seeing with a JW worldview.
Hence the question.
Once a person abandons the cult mentality and beliefs, such a question would no longer be asked because the answer is obvious. But doing so takes time and much deliberate and thoughtful effort.
i was having a conversation with a relative who has been inactive for several decades (part of the ‘75 generation) and he argued that a person that is a born in is better off staying in the organization rather than someone like him who lived as a “worldly” person but then became a witness later in life.
he argues that when you’re born in, all you know nothing outside of the organization, so you’re better off in than out, that’s why when born ins leave the org, they always come back.
i agree that as a born in, your social circle is composed of witnesses but i do feel that even born ins would be happier outside of the org than being in.
No matter what, it's always better to be yourself and to live an authentic life.
There is no question that people born into a cult have unique challenges upon leaving, but we all have challenges to overcome.
It isn't easy, but it's definitely better than remaining in a high-control, authoritarian cult.
i'm having one of those days where i feel lonely and wish i had someone to just hang out with.
my husband got disfellowshipped 3 years ago and even though i didn't do anything wrong i was pushed away.
my so called "friends" decided to avoid me.
Making friends outside of the religion is difficult, but not because of others. It’s all in us.
Our indoctrination is a challenge to overcome, but it can be done.
In the long run, we want to find people that love us for WHO we are, not WHAT (we pretended) WE PRETENDED TO BELIEVE.
This takes time. Go. Hang out with your co-worker. Keep it light and fun. As Xanthippe said, no need to tell you life story, at least not right away.
You’ll know. Just try to be yourself, as hard as that is.
You’ve gotten some great advice. Take it slow.
jp
i remember an elder questioning a woman who had admitted to giving and receiving oral sex from her unbelieving mate.
he asked her the most intimate questions which clearly flustered her.
interestingly, she “confessed “ to the elders because her conscience bothered her.
Minimus: They can never lose.
It's a rigged game.
If anything good happens, that was Jehovah. If anything bad happens, that was either Satan or "time and unforeseen circumstance."
So earlier the Dow was rising and Trump followers all said it was because of him. (Hint: it wasn't.) Now it's falling. Will they blame him? Of course not.
They're all in a cult just like JWs.
greetings, fellow word lovers:.
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time flies like an arrow and fruit flies like a banana..
For your pleasure:
we received an invitation in the mail yesterday for my jw niece's wedding.. i am posting this just to add for any lurkers to see typical jw practices.. 1st - and perfectly understandable for anybody who is or was a jw.
i'm not invited.
:) hey, i'm really not complaining about that.
WBF, understood.
I feel your pain, brother!
we received an invitation in the mail yesterday for my jw niece's wedding.. i am posting this just to add for any lurkers to see typical jw practices.. 1st - and perfectly understandable for anybody who is or was a jw.
i'm not invited.
:) hey, i'm really not complaining about that.
Have you considered telling your wife that you're really disappointed in her lack of support for you or your daughter?
we received an invitation in the mail yesterday for my jw niece's wedding.. i am posting this just to add for any lurkers to see typical jw practices.. 1st - and perfectly understandable for anybody who is or was a jw.
i'm not invited.
:) hey, i'm really not complaining about that.
No, you are not wrong.
Have you told her how you feel?
As I've often said, "If it's conditional, it ain't love!"
greetings, fellow word lovers:.
please add your favorite, clever smithing of words.. ****************************.
time flies like an arrow and fruit flies like a banana..
Dangling, or misplaced modifiers, often result in humorous, unintentional misstatements. Here's a classic, albeit deliberate, example from the inimitable Groucho Marx:
"One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know." - Groucho Marx
greetings, fellow word lovers:.
please add your favorite, clever smithing of words.. ****************************.
time flies like an arrow and fruit flies like a banana..
When I was 16 my older sister and I were in Paris. After a few days we decided to head to the south of France.
This conversation actually took place at the train station. I'll begin with the ticket seller's queries then follow with my responses.
The ticket seller asked us in quick succession:
To which I replied:
Yes, sir!
No, sir.
And how do you do, sir?
We'll take two. Yes, two to Toulouse, sir!
