hi, i'm looking for the article published in the 90s i think (i was a teenager) and it showed a diagram of the organizational hierarchy, at the top was jesus, then governing body all the way down to publishers it was in a pyramid style org chart.... can someone point me in the right direction?
additionally, does anyone remember the article or any articles that stated how bad it was that other religions had hierarchy like that?
i remember this being discussed at like a watchtower study or maybe it was a bookstudy.... i am on the hunt for another topic to discuss with my jw parents.
This subject came up again in a recent thread about Rolf Furuli's latest book:
Here's my post on that thread:
SBF: Furuli says that Watchtower . . . now resembles the Catholic hierarchy.
They have admitted that in open court. Here is a screenshot from page 9 of Furuli's book:
i agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
Clarified!
i agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
Minimus,
Your response really just proves my point and exemplifies the problem I have with certain of your threads: the ones where you open with a question seemingly inviting discussion but then immediately post your own highly biased opinion, which has a chilling effect on anyone posting a dissenting or differing point of view.
You clearly aren't interested in having a free, open and productive discussion which may include disagreement, rhetorical argumentation and debate. If you were, you would not frame your OPs the way you do.
This is why I have posted as I have on this thread. I think this is a very important topic that needs to be discussed. It's clearly a very complex subject and emotions can run high. All of this emphasizes the need for people to engage in the conversation in a respectful and measured way, freely expressing their points of view while also at least considering the views of others, even when—and perhaps particularly when—they disagree.
If you really and truly "don’t give two shits" about whether I read your threads or not (which I doubt), then you might want to consider simply not responding to any of my posts.
Just click on the IGNORE button.
If, on the other hand, you feel the need to continue a dialogue on this particular point, I'd suggest you PM me rather than derail your own thread with our perceived personal differences.
jp
i agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
Pete Zahut: When I was a Jehovah’s Witness we were told the world hated us And I saw evidence of it everywhere. Now I realize that no one even knew we existed… So where did all that hatred go that I once was sure was there?
Interesting point. Clearly, that "hatred" that you saw everywhere only existed in your own mind because of the beliefs that you (and most of us here on this forum) had.
There is an old saying: "We see the world, not as it is, but as we are."
Change your beliefs and you can change the world!
i agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
TGND: Did someone piss in your cornflakes this morning JP?
Nah, I don’t eat cornflakes, don't like 'em.
But I am a proponent of full and open discourse and constructive dialogue.
I appreciate that this isn’t always easy to do, particularly concerning uncomfortable topics or subjects which evoke powerful emotions and challenge long-held beliefs—which is why it’s all the more important we frame any such discussions in ways that create an environment which at least tries to make people feel able to express themselves freely and openly without censure or ridicule.
That is clearly not the case here in this thread or in a surprising number of similar threads started by Minimus; hence my initial response to the OP.
jp
i agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
Hisclarkness,
Thank you for taking the time to clearly and calmly—yet with great passion—express yourself on this divisive and emotionally charged topic.
I really appreciate your very thoughtful posts; you have given us much to think about. Thank you!
jp
i agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
Typical Minimus thread:
Rinse, lather, repeat. Completely predictable.
Thank you, Minimus, for once again keeping the bar on open debate and discussion on this forum so very, very low.
jp
recently, several comments have been made in various threads in reference to some of the recent changes to a few of the rules by which jehovah's witnesses must live their lives in unquestioning compliance.
the assertion has been made that these rules are a "relaxing" of previous restrictions.
the suggestion has been made that this somehow indicates a corresponding relaxing or loosening or lessening of the authority which the governing body (gb) holds over the rank and file (r&f) members of the religion.
Vidiot just referenced this thread in post discussing beards in recent WT publications, so I'm bumping it for the newbies!
the latest issue of the watchtower shows a man with a beard praying.. .
i fully expected to see him 'progress' to clean-shaven in the following pictures, but instead he is still bearded when 'applying bible principles'.. .
i then realized that he was already featured on the cover itself.. .
Vidiot: Ten bucks says this is just another tug on the leash.
Agreed!
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" or maybe a Bible. — Sinclair Lewis
