People behave badly and then blame you!
It's not just JWs that do that, but it is all the more egregious when they act hypocritically and STILL try to insist on their own "moral superiority".
Sorry you've had to endure this. Let the healing begin.
Posts by jp1692
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38Cirencester Congregation UK: My story
by erbie indear all,.
i have been a member here for some years although mostly in the background.
many of you have bravely shared your own experiences and i am very grateful for that but i have never been open about my own experience.. nevertheless, i would be very grateful to those of you who would now take the time to read about my own personal journey from the jw religion and the circumstances that caused me to abandon that way of life and how i landed up where i am.
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"Has the Large Hadron Collider Disproved the Existence of Ghosts?"
by unsure in"if i understand what you just declared, you just asserted that cern, the european center for nuclear research, disproved the existence of ghosts.".
"yes," cox replied.. http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2017/02/16/has_the_large_hadron_collider_disproved_the_existence_of_ghosts.html.
what do you think about this relating to.
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jp1692
Well those selected quotes proves nothing of the kind.
For the record, I do NOT believe in ghosts, but Cox' line of reasoning (as presented in the linked article) contains at least two flaws that cannot lead to the conclusion promised in the title of this thread or in the linked article:
- First, obviously our bodies do move (Cox clearly knows this so I suspect there was more to his argument that was omitted), and
- Second, we still have no idea from whence conciousness arises.
I kind of hate it when non-scientists report on things they don't understand. They so rarely get it right because they don't know what to include and what to leave out. The result is usually provocative sound-bites that are incomplete at best and mid-leading or just plain wrong at worst.
In other words, Ross Pomeroy, I happen to agree with you, but you explained it badly and made Mr. Cox sound like a dogmatic prig.
Because we can't currently detect or measure something is absolutely NOT proof it doesn't exist. The history of science is rife with many examples of things we didn't know about until we discovered or invented new ways of "seeing" or understanding. The change from the Ptolemaic geocentric universe to the Copernican heliocentric view is one notable example. Lavoisier's discovery of oxygen another. Both involved major paradigm shifts and a willingness to see what had always been there, but not understood because of the limitations of the current popular belief systems of how reality is and the limitations of current technology at the times to measure the phenomena under investigation.
That is what makes science so exciting!
But one must have an open mind. This is why almost all new scientific discoveries have been made by someone young or new to the particular field.
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Anyone know what the special talk is this weekend?
by charity7 innon jw so thank you for bearing with me.
do special talks happen with individual congregations or is it throughout?
i was told by my husband that i had to go with him and the rest of his family to the special talk that was happening this weekend.
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jp1692
I appreciated this point in the "Note to the speaker""
Use verified experiences to illustrate the superiority of Christian peaceableness over protest and retaliation
The trouble is, the best examples are from people like this:
Hmmm, none of these people are JWs!!! That can't be right.
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World's oldest person Emma Morano dies at 117
by jp1692 inthe world's oldest person has died in italy at the age of 117, reports say.. emma morano was born on 29 november 1899 in the piedmont region of italy.
she was officially the last person born in the 1800s still living.. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39610937.
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jp1692
Even the Wikipedia article about Mbah Gotho expresses doubts about his age:
Robert Young of the Gerontology Research Group said the claimed age was "fiction", "unbelievable" and "in the same category as Sasquatch ["Bigfoot"], the Yeti, and the Loch Ness Monster".
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jp1692
They both deal in "alternative facts" as their stock in trade!
Reality is quite inconvenient.
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World's oldest person Emma Morano dies at 117
by jp1692 inthe world's oldest person has died in italy at the age of 117, reports say.. emma morano was born on 29 november 1899 in the piedmont region of italy.
she was officially the last person born in the 1800s still living.. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39610937.
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jp1692
The world's oldest person has died in Italy at the age of 117, reports say.
Emma Morano was born on 29 November 1899 in the Piedmont region of Italy. She was officially the last person born in the 1800s still living.
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Anyone know what the special talk is this weekend?
by charity7 innon jw so thank you for bearing with me.
do special talks happen with individual congregations or is it throughout?
i was told by my husband that i had to go with him and the rest of his family to the special talk that was happening this weekend.
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jp1692
He said to me that he was not asking me to go that he was telling me to go.
What century does your husband think this is?
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Disfellowshipping decision to go before Canadian Supreme Court
by Simon inhigh court will examine whether judicial review applies to membership decisions made by religious groups.
the supreme court of canada has agreed to hear an appeal involving a calgary man who was kicked out of his jehovah's witness church.. randy wall, a real estate agent was "disfellowshipped" from the highwood congregation for being drunk on two occasions and allegedly verbally abusing his wife.. as a result, he says his clients refused to do further business with him, so he argued his property and civil rights were affected.. after losing three internal church appeals of his expulsion, wall made an application with the court of queen's bench in calgary which ordered a hearing to first determine if there was jurisdiction for the court to hear the application.. decisions and appeals.
a judge decided the superior court did have jurisdiction to hear the application.. the church then appealed wall's decision to the alberta court of appeal, which upheld the court of queen's bench, affirming the court has jurisdiction to hear the matter.. one of the three appeal court judges dissented — arguing that congregations are private organizations akin to bridge clubs, whose decisions "are not enforceable promises and have limited, if any, impact outside its small circle.".
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jp1692
FF: I can't fathom where parents would be required to shun a 15-year old child
It's called "Jehovah-land."
Fathom it.
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Disfellowshipping decision to go before Canadian Supreme Court
by Simon inhigh court will examine whether judicial review applies to membership decisions made by religious groups.
the supreme court of canada has agreed to hear an appeal involving a calgary man who was kicked out of his jehovah's witness church.. randy wall, a real estate agent was "disfellowshipped" from the highwood congregation for being drunk on two occasions and allegedly verbally abusing his wife.. as a result, he says his clients refused to do further business with him, so he argued his property and civil rights were affected.. after losing three internal church appeals of his expulsion, wall made an application with the court of queen's bench in calgary which ordered a hearing to first determine if there was jurisdiction for the court to hear the application.. decisions and appeals.
a judge decided the superior court did have jurisdiction to hear the application.. the church then appealed wall's decision to the alberta court of appeal, which upheld the court of queen's bench, affirming the court has jurisdiction to hear the matter.. one of the three appeal court judges dissented — arguing that congregations are private organizations akin to bridge clubs, whose decisions "are not enforceable promises and have limited, if any, impact outside its small circle.".
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jp1692
It is very telling what Jayden MacEwan, the lawyer for the Highwood congregation, has said in this case:
"Can the court decide who you should be forced or compelled to worship God with? Or is that not more just a purely personal decision?"What if we rephrased his question and redirected it back at him and the organization:
"Can a JW Judicial Committee decide who you should be forbidden to worship God with, or even to associate with or talk to? Or is that not more just a purely personal decision?"
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What will you be doing on the evening of the 11th ?
by Phizzy inmrs phizzy and myself will be eating out, sure in the knowledge we will not have jw's using the same restaurant.. i may have a cigar along with my brandy at the meal's end to celebrate my (our) freedom..
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jp1692
I reaffirmed the few close relationships I have with other former members of this cult. Everyone of them an amazing person living the most incredible, authentic life.
Oh the ties that bind!
