Posts by jp1692

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Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?
by cofty in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

it would be good to show that this is not the case..
jp1692

Saename: The problem is that you have no idea what you're reading.
Well that's just fucking stupid!
You don't know me and you don't know anything about my background or expertise. If you did, you'd realize what a completely wrong-headed and misguided comment you just made.
I was agreeing with you, you twit, and posted that excerpt from the Smithsonian to support you. Seriously, get the clue!
Could it be your arrogance that blinded you?
I really hate it when self-righteous people on forums like this that can't tell the difference between those that agree with them and those these don't. You make an argument of everything.
Go reread my post and see that I said NOTHING to warrant your self-biased induced knee-jerk response based on what you ASSUMED I meant rather than what I actually wrote. I posted a factoid. What you "read into that" is a projection of your own biases and neuroses.
For an obviously EDUCATED person, your response to me was not smart, nuanced or kind. Hence this response in kind, of a different sort.
I sure as hell don't need you to school me in the science, but you obviously need some lessons in manners.
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Land of the living dead
by hoser in
1. jw
2. experiences
one of my children got disfellowshipped recently.

i was worried about that some of my jw friends and jw relatives would mention it to me and it would make for awkward conversation as i am glad that he is out.

i went to a jw family gathering.
jp1692

More important than what "JW friends and relatives" think, how is YOUR relationship with your child now?
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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?
by unsure in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.
jp1692

Unsure: I answered this on page 6
Not really. You might think you did, but you didn't.
LisaRose asked, "What is it you think you think you need to be saved from?"
And you responded by writing:
From the times, like all humans where I'm a less then a stellar person. All humans are at times ungrateful, angry, greedy, unkind, disloyal, dishonest etc. Just like I would ask a family member for forgiveness for showing those qualities towards them, I would ask forgiveness to God.
LisaRose asked you about being "saved," but you answered about forgiveness. They may be related, but those are not the same thing.
So again, the very first thing you wrote in your OP was, "Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?"
My question is: From what is it that you think you have to be saved?
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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?
by unsure in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.
jp1692

Unsure: If Christianity was true, is there a chance I could be saved even if I at times doubted Jesus or things in the Bible?
The idea of needing to be "saved" is a distinctly Christian teaching, at least how you are framing the question. Other religions all have concepts of you needing to belong to be good with god; that's how they keep membership.
But personal salvation is a Christian teaching. Without in mind, look again at your question and you should see that it's self-referential and somewhat circular.
If Christianity is true, then you need to be a Christian. If it is not, then you don't.
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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?
by unsure in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.
jp1692

Hooberus: Why does he need to answer it without using the Bible?
Well that's the point. You can't.
When you're so indoctrinated that you don't even get that ...
The Bible is an obstacle to knowledge, not a source for it. The Bible offers the ignorant, limited world view of bronze and Iron Age agrarian people.
It's not exactly relevant for our 21st Century except perhaps for historical, anthropological perspective.
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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?
by unsure in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.
jp1692

Unsure: That passage mentions A way to be saved but doesn't say it is the ONLY way
Ok, for the third time: What makes you think you need to be "saved"?
Can you answer that without using the Bible and specifically without using a WT spin on it?
Why do you keep avoiding this question?
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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?
by unsure in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.
jp1692

Thank you Lisa Rose, I asked that same question--more or less--on page 2 of this thread. Still waiting for a response from the OP on that one!
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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?
by unsure in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.
jp1692

Unsure: this is a group of like minded individuals
Well that is most certainly NOT true.
Probably the only thing we all agree on is that JWs do not have "the Truth."
After that, we're all trying to figure it out for ourselves, and that's the beautiful thing. You can disagree here, question, debate, change your mind.
You can't do any of those things in the Kingdom Hall.
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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?
by unsure in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.
jp1692

Unsure: ... and who once went through the same mental gymnastics I'm going through right now after experiencing the same thing
This is an important point. After losing our religion it is only natural to question our beliefs. I call it the "what the heck do I believe now" stage of the post-cult experience.
It's a process and it takes time and hard work. One of the things about religions is that they provide easy, ready-made answers. Now you have to figure these things out for yourself, including accepting that there are some things for which you may never know the answer.
But don't worry, you'll be fine.
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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?
by unsure in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.
jp1692

Unsure: I'm not basing my life on that.
Well that's good!
Unsure: I can only reference my own experiences and being a JW was one of them.
Understood. It's the same for me as with most of us here on this forum.
Unsure: All I'm saying is that my view of a loving God is one who accepts those who may not even believe in them.
Then you're golden. You've nothing to worry about. Problem solved.