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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  Listener: I feel the whole motive behind your post is to scare individuals off from recording their JC

  Well if that's the case, then any lurkers that are having reservations should read this old thread:

  • How to Record a Judicial Meeting

  
  
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  boyfriends jehovah witness mom

  by whatisthis12 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  my boyfriend is an ex new jehovah witness and today i got a message from one of his friends asking if i could delete a comment he wrote on one of my pictures because my boyfriends mom is harassing him about it.

  he also basically told me that she has people who added me just to view my profile and let her know!!!!

  she also sends him messages and pictures from the watchtower.

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  jp1692

  You could tell them to mind their own f*@king business, but cult members don't like when others tell them what to do, (even though they have no problem doing just that themselves).
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD: JP are you saying that viewing the law as black and white is a sign of not being mentally healthy.

  No, I am reporting the consensus of mental health professionals worldwide: a black and white worldview is not mentally healthy! It does not matter if it's about the law, customs, music ... whatever.

  Rigid, inflexible thinking leads to mental health issues. It is positively correlated with depression, anxiety and Borderline Personality Disorder.
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  What kind of toppings do you like on a Pizza?

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i want something different on my next pizza!.

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  jp1692

  Londo: I grew up eating [PizzaHut] because that's what my parents got, but like the religion they raised me in, I didn't know anything else.

  OMG, Londo! That is definitely child abuse. You poor soul. No wonder you're so messed up. I recommend intensive therapy ... after you meet your diet goals of course!
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD, one of the things I have learned is that being able to accept and deal with ambiguity and uncertainty is a sign of a mentally healthy worldview. In contrast, black-and-white, all-or-nothing thinking associated with the blind acceptance and following of rules is in fact associated with mental illness.

  You might want to give that some thought.

  The world is a messy place.

  jp
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD: how can someone be proud of another person who broke the law.

  How indeed.

  Here are a few thoughts you might want to ponder, thoughts expressed by extraordinary people that thought deeply about this subject and lived their lives accordingly:

  “One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

  “An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so. Now the law of nonviolence says that violence should be resisted not by counter-violence but by nonviolence. This I do by breaking the law and by peacefully submitting to arrest and imprisonment.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

  “When EVIL men make bad laws, righteous men disobey them." ― Pastor Butch Paugh

  “Disobedience to rigid laws is a revolutionary act.” ― Lailah Gifty Akita

  “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” ― John F. Kennedy Jr.

  I don't know about you, but I am very proud of all of these people, the inspiring words they spoke and the courageous actions they took. Countless others, mostly unknown and unsung individuals, have been inspired by their acts of integrity and courage and have followed suite. I know I have been one.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD: I wanted to just get opinions.

  Well you got 'em!
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD: I think that breaking the law for any reason is not right. ... willfully breaking of a felony is wrong no matter what the reason behind it is.

  OK. Now we know your thoughts. You've heard ours and it's pretty much clear that you don't agree with the general consensus of the forum members.

  We haven't changed your mind and you certainly haven't changed ours.

  Good talk!
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  103

  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD, thank you for finally answering my question.

  I'm not familiar with the Lewis case nor do I care to familiarize myself with the details of it.

  As I, and many others here, have clearly said: what is legal is not always right. I've made my well-thought out position on this clear.

  I'm curious. What's your dog in this fight? Why do you care if people "use illegal means while performing their activism"?

  Please explain. It would be very helpful.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  jp1692

  JD: they do comply with the court orders after they have exhausted their rights to appeal.

  That's your answer?!?

  I think you're just being evasive. So I'll restate my question and revise it for clarity: Why don't the WTBTS' leaders simply just cooperate the first time when asked to by judges via court orders?

  Why obfuscate? Delay? Appeal? If they truly have nothing to hide, why not cooperate and be transparent?