Posts by jp1692

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Does Morality Exist?

by Fisherman in

some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..

jp1692

Yes it does. You raised the question so you need to prove it doesn't.

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Need help understanding the Overlapping Generation teaching

by Jules Saturn in

so this is a topic that seriously boggles my mind and please correct me if i'm wrong.

to me, the jw definition of the overlapping generation teaching is that the lives of the anointed from 1914 overlap with the lives of the anointed right now.

david splane used the example of fred franz and how he finished his "earthly course" in 1992 but while he did, he had a lot of "contemporaries" that outlived him and are currently living today.

EVENT: Middle Tennessee Conference - Understanding Abusive Spiritual Systems and Relationships

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

http://www.icsahome.com/events/midwest.

middle tennessee conference .

understanding abusive spiritual systems and relationships .

jp1692

To all,

I was able to attend the ICSA conferences earlier this summer in Bordeaux, France. Obviously, it's a big commitment to go to one of these events; but if you can, I heartily recommend it.

You will meet former cult members from MANY DIFFERENT CULTS, but participants are also mental health professionals, researchers and family members of those affected by cults. And I mean all kinds of cults: religious, political, ideological, charismatic movements, therapy cults and criminal gangs to name just a few.

It's really a transformative experience in many ways. One of the really important take-aways for me was this: although various cults seem very different superficially--doctrines and beliefs, dress, rituals and practices, etc.--they are all pretty much the same underneath. They are all about one thing and one thing only: absolute control evidenced by your blind, unquestioning obedience.

Thanks for posting this Barbara!

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Tutorial for Making Donations Electronically

by wifibandit in

tutorial for making donations electronically video will be considered the week of october 16, 2017.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_z32hlqw-0.

jp1692

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr3PJOhsbZY

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Grocery Store conversation with an elder

by problemaddict 2 in

i'm inactive here to the local jw's as i have faded.

i've been slandered and all that, shunned by some but not all, but the elders basically leave me alone.

i still run into to people all over though.

jp1692

PA2: I just thought we were trading questions that were none of the other persons business.

Perfect response. JWs completely ignore appropriate boundaries and we were complicit when we let them. Good for you reasserting your boundaries.

Oh, and Happy Birthday to your 5 year old!

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October 2, 2017 BOE US Re: Contributions Received at the 2017 Annual Meeting

by wifibandit in

october 2, 2017 to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territory re: contributions received at the 2017 annual meeting.

jp1692

Damn, God still needs money!

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Need help understanding the Overlapping Generation teaching

by Jules Saturn in

so this is a topic that seriously boggles my mind and please correct me if i'm wrong.

to me, the jw definition of the overlapping generation teaching is that the lives of the anointed from 1914 overlap with the lives of the anointed right now.

david splane used the example of fred franz and how he finished his "earthly course" in 1992 but while he did, he had a lot of "contemporaries" that outlived him and are currently living today.

jp1692

Xanthippe: I can't even read Oubliette's explanation of overlapping generations without feeling ill.

Sorry X, that wasn't my attention. I just love the deconstruction of this illogical and internally incoherent teaching. It's ironic that the WT leadership evidently took Oub's analysis showing all of it's flaws and used that as "support" and an explanation.

You can't make sense of nonsense and you shouldn't even try.

Xanthippe: Beginning to understand why that religion's teachings make intelligent people depressed.

Oh yeah, it is depressing trying to make sense of nonsense, particularly knowing that if you express any questions or doubts (forget about flat out disagreements) you can and probably will be cast out and lose all of your friends and family.

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Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

by freemindfade in

i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

jp1692

BBW: Well you got that right the job of the teacher is to teach government supplied information/indoctrination and not to deviate very far from the program of study.

I don't know what country you live in, but that sure as heck isn't what happens at my school in the US.

A teacher's job is to teach young minds to think critically and to question dogmatism. The best teachers refrain from biasing or unduly influencing their students by withholding their personal opinions, especially on controversial matters. Instead, they work to help students critically evaluate the issues, weigh the evidence and form their own opinions--pretty much the exact opposite of what you said above.

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Leah Remini Scientology series might tackle Jehovah's Witnesses in season 3

by jp1692 in

i've seen comments by some on leah's expose on scientology: aftermath.

she actually won an emmy for this show.

rumor is that she might take on jehovah's witnesses in season 3. .

jp1692

However, I wonder if the WTS is really weird and wacky enough to make good TV? Many of the beliefs are actually closer to mainstream Christianity, certainly more than Mormons or Scientologists are.

Good question and an important doctrinal distinction between Scientologists and JWs.

But what makes a group a cult is not the "wackiness" of their beliefs per se, but how those beliefs and the cult's practices harm and do damage to the cult's followers: physically, mentally and emotionally.

This is the value of inter-faith-Apostate work - someone from a different cult will be able to see certain nuances that may pass outsiders by, but isn't an "Apostate" of that religion that can be dismissed.

This is a great point. And the fact that Remini has already built a reputation exposing her own religion will be important for JWs when and if she does turn her attention to them.

Love the phrase "interfaith apostates." I'm gonna use it for sure!

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Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

by freemindfade in

i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

jp1692

Just yesterday, former CIA Director John Brennan made a very pointed statement on this issue:

I for one appreciate his balanced comments and his emphasis on what Trump SHOULD be focusing on right now, which more important and more urgent matters.

Here is a link to a HuffPost article on the statement:

Former CIA Director John Brennan Stands By Athletes Taking The Knee