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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

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  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  SBF: That's not a good analogy. We are not postulating the existence of imaginary entities.

  Well you can tell Russell that it's not a good analogy.

  I happen to think it's a great analogy, and perfect for this debate. Perhaps you meant that it's not an appropriate analogy since you said that "we are not postulating the existence of imaginary entities." But you are postulating the existence of imaginary qualities, abilities or characteristics, namely: awareness, a thing which--unless I missed it--you have still not defined in relationship to your premise.

  Perhaps it would help if you defined (what you mean by) awareness in the context of this thread and explain how it is both different than and distinct from consciousness. (If I missed it, I apologize. Although I have scanned this thread pretty thoroughly, I haven't read every single word of this thread. If you have, please supply a link to the post.)

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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  SBF: Why not make the opposite assumption: that things have awareness unless it's proved that they don't?

  Because it leads to unrigorous, unscientific thinking. From there, all kinds of crazy propositions can be posited with with no requirement of proof or evidence. Are you familiar with Russell's teapot?

  "It is an analogy, formulated by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making unfalsifiable claims, rather than shifting the burden of disproof to others."

  "He wrote that if he were to assert, without offering proof, that a teapot orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, he could not expect anyone to believe him solely because his assertion could not be proven wrong."

  Or, as Carl Sagan explained, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
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  My Memes

  by ozbrad in

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  i've been using my photoshop skills for good rather than evil.. and it also helps relieve the shunning frustration.. .

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  Those are hilarious! Thanks
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  Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

  by Marie33 in

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  2. scandals

  look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

  now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

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  jp1692

  Yes. I know it’s dismissive of me. It’s all bullshit.

  I’ve spent over four decades researching this stuff looking at every bit of the supposed “evidence” for the supernatural that I could find.

  Here’s what I found: nothing.

  The evidence isn’t there.

  It doesn’t exist.

  There are no demons. It’s all bullshit.

  Anyone the believes in things that do not exist is—by definition—deluded.

  Delusional disorders are one form (of many) of mental illness.
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  Bringing reproach on Jehovah's name.

  by ScottyRex in

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  i have thought long and hard about this, you know in those midnight hours.. you will probably string me alive in what i say, but here you go-.

  i feel that the jw's do have the truth.

  i do agree with the doctrines and biblical exgenesis they propound.i do feel that they have the 'truth' i do understand they are imperfect, and i think they have had to 'refine' their teachings as time has gone on-and change accordingly- i see nothing wrong with this.

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  The ironic thing is that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society uses the “reproach on Jehovah” thing to actually protect themselves.

  How often do they use the expression, “Jehovah and his organization” effectively conflating the two ideas into one? They do this constantly. Their idea of course is to make their followers believe that anything they do that is wrong will be viewed negatively by God when in fact all they really want to do is get people to be obedient to the organization—which for all practical purposes is themselves, the governing body

  So when they act the way they do with their “Two Witness Rule” protecting pedophiles, they are really just bringing reproach upon themselves. It’s pretty fucking stupid actually.
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  Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

  by Marie33 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

  now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

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  There would have to be demons for this to be true. There aren’t. It isn’t.

  People that believe in them are delusional. It’s a common and very ancient form of mental illness.

  End of story.
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  Hierarchy of JW's

  by Tallon in

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  no disrespect to women intended ... however hopefully this will give you something to laugh about.. .

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  Speaking Truth to Power
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  Ruby: great link JP

  You're welcome.
  
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  Bringing reproach on Jehovah's name.

  by ScottyRex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have thought long and hard about this, you know in those midnight hours.. you will probably string me alive in what i say, but here you go-.

  i feel that the jw's do have the truth.

  i do agree with the doctrines and biblical exgenesis they propound.i do feel that they have the 'truth' i do understand they are imperfect, and i think they have had to 'refine' their teachings as time has gone on-and change accordingly- i see nothing wrong with this.

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  ScottyRex: I feel that the JW's do have the truth.

  What exactly is this "truth" that you feel that JWs and JWs alone have?

  While you're pondering that, please also ponder this: Truth, real truth, is not a tangible thing which any one individual or group can possess to the exclusion of all others. That is illogical and a misuse of the word.

  Similarly, if I know something that is true, I will still know it if I choose to no longer associate with any particular person or group of people. Also, if I share it with another person, they will know what I have shared regardless if they ever see me again.

  The whole concept of exclusive "Truth" as put forth by JWs is just a manipulative method used to control people and make them feel special. With a little investigation you will find that this particular control method has been used by countless groups throughout the history of humankind. It is a hallmark of cults.

  That's right, you're in a cult.

  It's shocking I know, but it's the truth--the real truth.
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  Isaac Asimov was a biochemist that also wrote fiction. He was damn good at both.

  There should be a rule: People should at least have a basic idea of what they are taking about before they post on a topic and/or thread.

  Seriously, some of the posts on this thread are just embarrassing for the lack of awareness, knowledge and thoughtfulness about this subject. The irony is palpable.