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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

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  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  Soledad

  Great post Sab.
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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

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  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  Soledad

  Noone knows for sure if children are born without belief.

  You can take your pick at any god you want to be angry with, if any.

  I prefaced my reply with "in my opinion." What are you getting so defensive for? It's not about you.
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  Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

  by Chariklo in

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  until recently, i had never encountered this word "believers" used as it is being used on this board, to describe pejoratively a group of people.

  it's not clear to me whether they scorn all who have a faith of some sort.

  do they include buddhists, hindus, followers of the baha'i faith, followers of the cargo cult, native americans along with christians, or is it just christians who are honoured with this epithet?.

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  Soledad

  In my opinion, it's impossible to be atheist. Atheists are just angry with god for causing x y or z in their lives. They also know that living by a moral code or having standards is hard work. They take the easy way out by thinking "if there is no god then I don't have to worry about being an upright person." Therefore, voila-no god. Makes life easy doesn't it? Their scorn for believers is their own conscience nagging at them.
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  Its on the Daily Mail Website!!!!!

  by cantleave in

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  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160605/candance-conti-molested-jehovahs-witnesses-member-age-nine-wins-28milion.html.

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  Soledad

  I am so thrilled to be reading this. A victory for sure.

  I know all of the hard work that was put into this case, and how courageous Candace has been in coming forward.

  I hope that more victims come forward, and the WTS hangs its head in shame.

  Hopefull this will make a huge dent in their reputation. They are smug and shameless.

  Isaiah 2:17 (NIV)

  The arrogance of man will be brought low and human pride humbled ; the LORD alone will be exalted in that day.

  I am very happy to be back here
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  I ended up in the back room of the KH today

  by Nobleheart in

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  our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.

  i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.

  but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.

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  Nobleheart; I feel you will be one of those rare individual

  that will walk and never look back.

  Those types of individuals aren't so rare, they're just rarely remembered in a positive light.
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  Have these people gotten ruder over the years?

  by Soledad in

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  what is up with current jws?

  do i suddenly have a leprosy that i didn't catch in the mirror this morning?.

  my mom had surgery recently and once again all care taking duties have fallen into my lap.

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  Soledad

  What is up with current JWs? Do I suddenly have a leprosy that I didn't catch in the mirror this morning?

  My mom had surgery recently and once again all care taking duties have fallen into my lap. I love mom so no problem there. The problem happens when these morons start coming around to visit.

  How do you wrap your head around their logic? "I'm going to ignore this chick and treat her like shit in her own home that I came to visit unannounced and uninvited so that way she will realize the error in her ways and return toThe Truth. tm"

  Can I get a WTF??? How arrogant can they get??
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  The increasing number of the anointed. Comments, anyone?

  by dgp in

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  i'm very much enjoying "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses", by heather and gary botting.

  now, this excerpt comes very much to the point of this thread, i believe:.

  page 145: "still, in 1975 the society clearly feared a continuation of the upward trend in memorial partakers, and in an article entitled "annointing to a heavenly hope - how is it manifest?

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  It proves that 1) they are and always have been full of it and 2) they need to prolong the life of this organization somehow. Look it now 2010, almost 100 years from Christ's invisible but visible reign here on Earth. The end should have been here by now, no?
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  What does it mean to be spiritual but not religious?

  by asilentone in

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  Soledad

  IMO to be aware, in the way you are aware when driving a car of what is going on around you even if you are engaged in a conversation with a passenger in the car. Aware like turning on a flood lamp instead of a spotlight. When you are aware of yourself, you naturally transform. God, Christ, Buddha, Krishna, whomever, would rather that you be transformed by their teachings, not just be keen to worship.
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  My thoughts on the memorial.....yea I did go

  by Soledad in

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  it was dull.

  i could have sworn that i heard the same talk 20 years ago.

  witnesses look tired, bored, lifeless.

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  Soledad

  It was DULL. I could have sworn that I heard the same talk 20 years ago. Witnesses look tired, bored, lifeless. I hadn't been to a memorial in 11 years. There is still the same prancing from the young women usually seen on memorial night---new clothes, salon hair and nails. Too much drama for just a single hour of exposure, a single hour of chair-warming. But, I understand perfectly why.

  I used to be like that many moons ago. This is the one time in the year that is somewhat eventful in the otherwise colorless life of a young JW woman. Sexy was in this year, I saw quite a few outfits that revealed shoulders, backs, cleavages, legs, and stilletos were the footwear of choice, all out for show. Shoot, there were some mamacitas! If I were a guy I'd make a move. There I was in my knit dress pants and faux cashmere duster. It's still chilly here in the evenings.

  Not looking to make a point with wearing pants, just wanted to be comfy. Darn thing started later than I remember, at 8:30. I get up at 4:30 am everyday, so by 8:30 in the evening I'm usually in my jammies ready to call it a night.

  Many non-witnesses where there, I could tell, but it was also obvious that these weren’t bible studies or "interested ones." These were clearly the relatives of other witnesses. Attendance: 164. I don't know how that stacks up to the average meeting attendance or to prior year's memorial at that same location. I remember when I used to go it was in a different city and there was a headcount of about 500-600, easily.

  Talk made mention to how many anointed worldwide: over 9000. I remember this number used to be less? The speaker raised the question as to how the anointed know that they are anointed. He pointed to Romans 8:23, the first section. The point he made was that the anointed are so because they say so, (?????) and used this scripture to back it up. I had to smirk. Yous some slick mofos, I thought to myself. They think they are so smart by taking small snippets here and there of unrelated scriptures to prove a point. I thought to myself that the average witness would do himself or herself a great favor by just taking the entire book of Romans---which is my favorite book to read---reading it from start to finish, exactly as one should read it since it is a letter, without the weird cross referencing and pauses in the selection. It's so simple to understand the message. Especially chapter 13.

  The speaker made clear pronouncements on remaining faithful and loyal (to whom? I think we know). Clear distinctions made between anointed and other sheep. Other sheep do not partake of emblems, period point blank. The speaker's tone was robotic and clannish. The members were too. Only a handful of people know me in this congregation, but hardly anyone spoke to me. Why the cold shoulder? What if I wanted to come back into the fold? (not that I want to of course). Not at all humble and Christ-like. It's clear that proselytizing is not working; it's basically dead.

  I got of couple of sly looks when I used the bible to follow along in the readings, as if to say "she knows how to use that thing?" At some point during the evening an attendant stood right behind me, I was in the last row. I entertained thoughts, for sure, about eating the bread and drinking the wine. I'm not concerned about a reaction from anyone at all about this. I just said to myself when the time comes and if it feels right I would do what most feels natural. This is where I really pity the JWs, on both accords. They fail to realize that Jesus Christ wants all of us to remember him (do this in remembrance of me). We should all be in communion with the Lord, not just a select few. They also fail to follow their gut. Wow, I guess I've come really far from my JW days. I never would have said this 12 years ago.

  I desisted from eating/drinking only because of the dullness of the whole event, not for any other reason. I want the pageantry of a mass or of a revival if I'm going to eat the body of Christ and drink the blood of the Christ........I believe his sacrifice merits that. This is not worth doing in JW land; I'll definitely take my business elsewhere.

  The big question now: why go. My mother invited me. She invites me every year. My father was unsure of whether or not to go, but I guess he decided once he saw I was going. He never liked the JWs but he almost always goes to the memorial. He is fighting a brave but losing battle against renal cell carcinoma and he is nearly 83 years old (but hella feisty and will tend to his garden himself, thank you very much). This could be the last year that all 3 of us go somewhere together, get to be seen together. I decided let's make it an event, break up the routine a bit. We picked up a pizza afterwards and my dad nearly ate it all. He seemed very content. Worth it, I thought, as I watched him eat his slice.

  This outing proved to me that I made the right choice by DAing, not that I needed any more proof. The watchtower's golden years are over, definitely gone. The sense of urgency is gone, empty shells of what used to be left in its place. It's nearly 100 years since 1914 (this generation will surely not pass.....) From the looks on the member's faces, they are obviously in denial, or mentally re-writing JW history.
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  Are You Afraid of Terrorist Attacks Happening To You Like It Did In India?

  by minimus in

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  it's horrible to see so many innocent people brutalized by terrorists.. new york's trains are the subject of possible terrorism, according to well placed sources.. when will it ever end?.

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  Soledad

  I have survived 2.

  Maybe the 3rd will be the strikeout that ends the inning. Maybe not.

  No doubt that my beloved city is a large target, but I can't live in fear. Rather, I refuse to live in fear.