@Londo111 Agreed. Especially when the accusations may lead to greater discord among the ex-JW community. I can only attest to this man self-identifying as a Russelite while in my presence and that the park ranger stated someone called requesting the cancellation of the protest citing safety concerns. As you can read in the video’s comments, many who thought this man an ex-JW or an ally of Cedars attacked him accordingly. I’d be curious to hear more of the details others were apparently privy to. Whether guilty or not, I think our outrage is best reserved for WT and its ruling elite.
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ExJW responsible for calling the police at the Warwick protest, NOT Watchtower
by Diogenesister inaccording to the great apostate, who spent time with police officers at the protest, they informed him that it was not watchtower who called the police in but another exjw who briefly attended the protest and subsequently disapproved of the protesters methods...claiming they were being "violent".. i find this very difficult to understand.
anyone who saw the bravery of the women who stood up in the kingdom hall and told the story of their abuse and rape could not fail to feel compassion and offer their support.. i know there are posters on this forum who disagree with me.they worry that such protests play into watchtowers "persecution" complex, and naturally i understand their position.. but really, how long do we have to fear their power over their members, and through their members, us.. many jw's simply do not know the extent of the paedophile problem,.they do not know about malawi, the un, the bloodless surgery guinea pig deaths ( thank you orphan crow), the suicides....i simply don't believe that protests don't work....if there are enough of them, and they are organized, and most of all if we are united...we shall make a difference, and that difference may be your loved one.. https://youtu.be/ffhr9onbdrk.
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ExJW responsible for calling the police at the Warwick protest, NOT Watchtower
by Diogenesister inaccording to the great apostate, who spent time with police officers at the protest, they informed him that it was not watchtower who called the police in but another exjw who briefly attended the protest and subsequently disapproved of the protesters methods...claiming they were being "violent".. i find this very difficult to understand.
anyone who saw the bravery of the women who stood up in the kingdom hall and told the story of their abuse and rape could not fail to feel compassion and offer their support.. i know there are posters on this forum who disagree with me.they worry that such protests play into watchtowers "persecution" complex, and naturally i understand their position.. but really, how long do we have to fear their power over their members, and through their members, us.. many jw's simply do not know the extent of the paedophile problem,.they do not know about malawi, the un, the bloodless surgery guinea pig deaths ( thank you orphan crow), the suicides....i simply don't believe that protests don't work....if there are enough of them, and they are organized, and most of all if we are united...we shall make a difference, and that difference may be your loved one.. https://youtu.be/ffhr9onbdrk.
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Before this erupts further, the man in question identified himself as a Russelite, not as a former JW, and therefore would not have been part of any perceived apostate “faction”.
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"Jehovah's Witnesses' withheld info will cost them..."
by Nicholaus Kopernicus inlatest perspective of the san diego reader on wts loosing its $4000 per day sanction appeal.... https://m.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/nov/10/ticker-jehovahs-witnesses-withheld-info-4000-day/?templates=mobile.
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1.5 mil/year is little more than pocket change for Watchtower.
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Bethel Dwelling Manual (2004 Edition, 2012 Printing)
by thebrokenkite ina peace offering to those recently questioning if i'm undercover, though new conspiracies may surface.
;) please excuse the ongoing construction of the site and enjoy!.
http://thebrokenkite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/dwelling-together-in-unity.pdf.
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@wifibandit Many thanks! I’m not very savvy with these things.
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Bethel Dwelling Manual (2004 Edition, 2012 Printing)
by thebrokenkite ina peace offering to those recently questioning if i'm undercover, though new conspiracies may surface.
;) please excuse the ongoing construction of the site and enjoy!.
http://thebrokenkite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/dwelling-together-in-unity.pdf.
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My only snow memories at the big house all torturously revolved around snow duty. How I wished I was married during those God-damned weeks. -
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Bethel Dwelling Manual (2004 Edition, 2012 Printing)
by thebrokenkite ina peace offering to those recently questioning if i'm undercover, though new conspiracies may surface.
;) please excuse the ongoing construction of the site and enjoy!.
http://thebrokenkite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/dwelling-together-in-unity.pdf.
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A peace offering to those recently questioning if I'm undercover, though new conspiracies may surface. ;) Please excuse the ongoing construction of the site and enjoy!
http://thebrokenkite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Dwelling-Together-in-Unity.pdf
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11-5-17 Warwick Protest Photos
by thebrokenkite inlet the reader use discernment:.
i was disfellowshipped in june of last year.
while i've been awake for nearly a year, i still often feel groggy.
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Just wanted to clarify the pictures posted above by Alfred are not from the 11-5-17 protest.
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11-5-17 Warwick Protest Photos
by thebrokenkite inlet the reader use discernment:.
i was disfellowshipped in june of last year.
while i've been awake for nearly a year, i still often feel groggy.
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@josephus Thank you for providing another well-thought-out perspective. I hope that it will provide for a more complete picture for others to draw their own conclusions.
I also want to remind everyone these were my honest first impressions, have nothing to gain from them, and actually made the trip to satisfy my curiosity and report back on the events. I feel like someone who leaves an underwhelmed review of a particular dish at a hyped restaurant. I’m not going to pretend I liked it if I didn’t and there would no point in reporting back at all in that case. Would I welcome an opportunity to correct myself and try the same (but improved) or other dishes? Absolutely. In fact, I don’t know that we can commit now, but my work takes us overseas so it wouldn’t be an impossibility for us to attend the London protest, especially as I’ve had the opportunity to spend some time with the Italian field there. I’d be delighted to get to know you and some of the other organizers better.
Lastly, I second my own motion regarding you, sir. I really believe you should be one of the louder voices in the movement. I appreciated your practical and timely advice to me as well. Hopefully we’ll see you in London. :)
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What would you do for next November 5?
by Faded ini think everything has to start somewhere, and you can see the passion and commitment from those loyal 50 that showed up in warwick yesterday.
the event was not very well organized but you could see the passion & dedication from most of them.
and i think they at least touched a couple of people at the kh yesterday.. having an annual day of action actually inspires me.
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@days of future past The folks that imply the criticism is harsh or based out of jealousy are really blowing things out of proportion and remind me of the “fake news” cop out the POTUS so often resorts to. I was actually excited to go when I first heard and asked my non-JW wife to come along in a few weeks. What gave me a preview of things to come and diminished my excitement was that it was really difficult to find an exact time and location. The two apostates who arrived before us didn’t know if we were in the right place and even some of the organizers showed up to wrong place and the ranger had to escort them out way! There was no program, just an impromptu open mic, though most of the organizers did prepare their thoughts. They hadn’t really considered the logistics until after that was over. I think those are very basic things that many former JWs have probably handled and aren’t too much to ask. Again, dressing, not in suits as others have tried to attribute to me, but in a presentable manner that won’t distract JWs trained to be distracted by that. Instead of welcoming criticism or suggestions, this brand of apostasy has doubled down and made it personal, which I find amusing. It’s very New York.
To your last point, I’m just a details guy and more of consigliere than a Godfather. Though this was ultimately a positive experience for me, I’m not sure that protests are the most effective medium of apostasy.
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11-5-17 Warwick Protest Photos
by thebrokenkite inlet the reader use discernment:.
i was disfellowshipped in june of last year.
while i've been awake for nearly a year, i still often feel groggy.
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@Morpheus I agree on all fronts, sir, and have no problem with your clarification of my words. (Believe it or not, I tried to be objective.) It may not be possible to find someone who is relatable, likable, AND had the credentials to make it difficult for Watchtower to yell “Apostate lies!”, in which case I’d opt for the stories that really touch people, like the scenario you offered.
The dress is not really a huge issue, as others have tried to make it for me. But if they came all this way and did all this, I’m sure they could’ve worn something besides sweatpants or a Blade Runner outfit. That’s all I’m saying. Don’t needlessly distract people trained to be easily distracted.
I agree that there’s a lot of untapped potential but I can also see that type of apostasizing has support that would inevitably lead to further infighting, between a group that wants to push for a more serious type of advocacy and one that wants to do whatever it wants and genuinely believes Watchtower fears them, as Joel Martz announced at the protest on Sunday.