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  Wierd KH property arrangement

  by Simon in

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  my wife's congregation recently bought some land to build a new kh on it but then signed over the ownership to an offshore company controlled by the wtb&ts.

  they were told that it would make it harder to 'grab' when 'the persecution begins'.. has anyone else heard anything like this?.

  it sounds like a way of getting real-estate to me and from what i've heard, sounds a bit dodgy.

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  SolidSender

  Waiting – as you know there are people here who push my “aggro” buttons as to why I’ll use the xandit example. Please consider it:

  I do not believe that a persons knowing more about the property acquisition methods of a New York based publishing company (the WTBTS )

  1) has anything to do with christianity
  2) makes that person more equal before god and christ than myself
  3) that an accurate knowledge of those WTBTS property acquisition procedures will contribute to my spirituality.

  Unless there’s scriptures in my bible that are missing.

  In my humble opinion the profundity of christianity lies in a comprehension of it’s simplicity not the complex legalisms of a New York based publishing company.

  If you wish to subscribe to that brand of christianity, if you really believe it’s as hard as people like friend and xandit would have us believe then that is your perogative. I don’t.

  I also have no interest in wasting my breath on people like xandit & friend whose minds, in my opinion are filled with nothing but second hand ideas hell bent on suppressing tolerance.-SolidSender
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  Wierd KH property arrangement

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife's congregation recently bought some land to build a new kh on it but then signed over the ownership to an offshore company controlled by the wtb&ts.

  they were told that it would make it harder to 'grab' when 'the persecution begins'.. has anyone else heard anything like this?.

  it sounds like a way of getting real-estate to me and from what i've heard, sounds a bit dodgy.

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  SolidSender

  Waiting, good hearing from you again.

  Firstly if I may say so in response to your statement:

  Unless your picture is ancient - which I don't think it is, I remain doubtful that you would have an "enormous amount of experience" in the area of identifying and combating mind control. No doubt, being a JW gives experience, but that usually takes years, if not decades, - and usually an adult perspective to look in hindsight as to the impact upon your and your family's life.

  This seems a rather broad generalization to me.
  My opinion is that proclivities within people vary on an individual basis. How would you explain prodigies then?

  More stuff I want to discuss with you I’ll catch you on the other threads we’ve been following. (if I can locate it) .

  See you there-SolidSender
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  Wierd KH property arrangement

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife's congregation recently bought some land to build a new kh on it but then signed over the ownership to an offshore company controlled by the wtb&ts.

  they were told that it would make it harder to 'grab' when 'the persecution begins'.. has anyone else heard anything like this?.

  it sounds like a way of getting real-estate to me and from what i've heard, sounds a bit dodgy.

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  SolidSender

  Waiting, a couple of PS's to the above now that i have time:

  Firstly I should have also quoted the other point Frenchy made above which is similar to a response I made to yourself down another post:

  2.Expression of personal views are not necessarily the imposition of such on others.

  Secondly having re-read xandits posts i'm even more convinced that this person is what we would call in this country a real "fruit loop". Unfortunately ( and I say this with all due respect please! ) if you can't see this at the moment no explanation from myself or anyone else will change that. This is because my estimation is based upon what I feel is a fairly accurate "perception" of what's going on between
  the lines of his posts. The sub-text if you want to call it that.

  Let me explain it another way, if there was an area or subject with which you had an enormous amount of experience, let's just say these abuse types of situations you've been through, I doubt if you would not be able to see the warning signs in an abusive personality far sooner than the average person.

  I could go into more depth but won't.

  Over to you-SolidSender

  You could try and explain to the average person why you "suspect" such a person is an abusive feel this way but because the novice hasn't been through the experience what you would be saying would be going right over the novices head. Your
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  To celebrate or not to celebrate

  by Dubby in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wonder how much validity is in the wt teaching that it's wrong to celebrate holidays.

  did jesus followers in the first century really not get involved in nationalistic activities?

  is the celebration of one's nations independence at odds with jesus and the apostle's teachings?.

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  Frenchy, hi man, I hope all is going well for you and that it's a lot warmer where you are at the moment then what it is here.

  Thanks for writing back. Everything you've said has been taken on board, considered and is not being ignored but for the moment the next thing I would like to say is :

  I can't speak for anyone else but based on my own experience I have found this "little voice inside" to be an extremely trustworthy & reliable guide. This has been learnt predominately at the expense of acting against it.

  What's your take on this?-SolidSender

  PS - I havn't heard of Mel McDaniels but then there's a lot of US artists we are not even aware of here.
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  From H20- "The Ultimate Rude Display"

  by Dubby in

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  i found this at the freeminds site.

  it's a post from h20 that i just had to post.. .

  posted by lovesdubs [lovesdubs] on july 02, 2000 at 16:55:22 {mw75jfstgk0hi4vk0miqsqbw4hhnmw}:.

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  Dear Waiting, with all due respect and by no means dismissing the magnitude of what you've been through I feel trauma is all subjective.

  What I mean is two people having undergone an identical traumatic situation will not develop identicatal post traumatic disorders.

  In my opinion ( i know it seems i have a few but "in real life" i'm a total introvert who hardly ever speaks unless they are spoken to but...) i feel it's not beyond the realms of possibility that a person undergoing the WTBTS trauma could have a post traumatic experience comparable to a person who has undergone a traumatic experience such as your own.

  Dichotomizing the psyche as the WTBTS does is the first step down the raod to a nervous breakdown. Some are more susceptible to breakdown than others and do eventually reach that destination unfortunately.

  How do you measure anguish and how can you say one persons anguish is more than anothers? It gets kind of difficult to quantify as far as I can see.

  I am not shrink but like yourself have been around the block a few times now to have at least figured a few things out based purely on experience and this subject happens to be one of those few.- SolidSender
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  Wierd KH property arrangement

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife's congregation recently bought some land to build a new kh on it but then signed over the ownership to an offshore company controlled by the wtb&ts.

  they were told that it would make it harder to 'grab' when 'the persecution begins'.. has anyone else heard anything like this?.

  it sounds like a way of getting real-estate to me and from what i've heard, sounds a bit dodgy.

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  SolidSender

  waiting - hi interesting post and points made however blame Frenchy he was the one who said:

  1.Personal views and standards are permitted here.

  I posted my personal view that's all. I'm not about to apologize for doing that. This is a forum. Logic, rationale, political correctness,
  good taste, soapboxing and so on may or may not enter into those viewpoints depending on how I feel. I'm not about to start hemming myself in with rules though.

  I hold a counter opinion. Your perception of this is something I cannot control. Someone else may just laugh it off.

  I could go into a long emotional rave on this but at the moment don't have time.

  However - sure I'm following a hunch with these "personalities" Xandit & Friend but based on my past experince I would be very surprised if I was far from the mark in my estimations of them. I'll hear from you I guess-SolidSender
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  Wierd KH property arrangement

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife's congregation recently bought some land to build a new kh on it but then signed over the ownership to an offshore company controlled by the wtb&ts.

  they were told that it would make it harder to 'grab' when 'the persecution begins'.. has anyone else heard anything like this?.

  it sounds like a way of getting real-estate to me and from what i've heard, sounds a bit dodgy.

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  SolidSender

  Xandit's just another Bozo that needs to be put back in his box , this same claustrophobic little one that Friend lives in. In my humble opinion these types of individuals are EXTREMELY mentally pathological and should be avoided at all costs.

  The way it looks to me is that Xandit is one of those wishy washy apostate types. I’ve come across hundreds of them in my years as a witness. He probably never goes witnessing, thinks he’s of the anointed, is a marked person or similar, does stuff like makes his own bible talks puts them on cassette or into print and distributes them amongst the brothers, has his own meetings, you know stuff like that – there’s practically almost one clown like this in every congregation. This internet stuff he’s doing is essentially just an extension of those apostate activities. You can guarantee he counts time on the net as field service time. If the brothers knew what he was doing online ( if they don’t already ) his arse would be kicked big time. He’ll deny all of this of course and make out like he’s faithful and spiritual etc, which is to be expected. Your post was a brilliant exposition of WTBTS doublespeak. The problem is that you can’t argue against those whose minds are controlled by double speak because what goes on inside their heads is doublethink – an unconscious subversion of ones own thoughts/opinions/conscience for those of the authority. That’s the beauty of the system. When you are trying to reason with Xandit you are not really talking to Xandit. You are talking to Fred Franz who Xandit has consciously allowed to control his mind and inhabit his body. You are not going to get an original thought out of Xandit/Fred – it’s not possible, all he is capable of is doublespeak and doublethink. Refer to any one of his posts as proof. He can’t see it but by the grace of God you and I can.-SolidSender
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  From H20- "The Ultimate Rude Display"

  by Dubby in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i found this at the freeminds site.

  it's a post from h20 that i just had to post.. .

  posted by lovesdubs [lovesdubs] on july 02, 2000 at 16:55:22 {mw75jfstgk0hi4vk0miqsqbw4hhnmw}:.

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  hi waiting, i just read a post of yours elsewhere here and it really summed up a similar point i was trying to make to yourself previously.

  I hope it's OK to use your quotes. I think most here are familiar with your story and respect what you've been through.

  firstly you said:

  I do not come here to bash and thrash the WTBTS.

  in response I said:

  Mindcontrol is the end result of massive doses of a reptitive message to the point of entrenchment. As I said in my post above it seems that myself and others here realise that they have to adopt a similar method in opposition, though we havn't a hope.

  however i feel this quote of yours says what I I'm trying to say in my above quote in a far more effective manner:

  My point in bringing this up is that there are a lot of us, whether we know it or not, who are victims. Or we know, or suspect victims/abusers. The more we talk openly about it, the more chance we can help a child not become a victim. Because we learn identifying traits of abusers and victims. And that is the whole point.
  We survivors are already victims - perhaps by learning about what makes abusers tick, we can prevent our child, neighbor's child, etc. from being the abuser's next victim.

  I feel like a victim of the WTBTS and post for the very same reason you posted the above statement as a victim of your father.

  Does that make sense? Let me know-SolidSender
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  The weirdness of posting here

  by waiting in

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  hey, katchoo!.

  it's really weird being in the basement area.

  kinda like hiding out from the group....... be aware, as i learned, that if we speak here, anybody on the web can read what we say.. i did not suspect it was an orgy until three days later.

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  Edited by - SolidSender on 1 August 2000 3:48:30
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  To celebrate or not to celebrate

  by Dubby in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wonder how much validity is in the wt teaching that it's wrong to celebrate holidays.

  did jesus followers in the first century really not get involved in nationalistic activities?

  is the celebration of one's nations independence at odds with jesus and the apostle's teachings?.

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  Frenchy - i'm feeling pretty dumb about this - if the click through to the Vince song doesn't work here's the lyric:

  Which Bridge To Cross (Which Bridge To Burn)
  Vince Gill
  Written By
  Vince Gill/Bill Anderson
  Copyright 1994

  I've got two lovers in my life now
  A true love and one that's brand new
  I'm not real sure that I know how
  To love one and tell one we're through

  (Chorus)
  I Can't sleep at night
  I toss and I turn
  I keep losing sight
  Of the lessons I've learned
  I'm standing at the crossroads
  With just one concern
  Which bridge to cross
  And which bridge to burn

  I knew this was wrong, I didn't listen
  Cause a heart only knows what feels right
  Oh, I need to reach a decision
  And get on with the rest of my life