:What about God?
God is the one who gave all power/ authority to his son. We can't pray to God without going thru the only one who has all power and authority. That's what the Bible states, does it not?
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Matthew 28-- the whole chapter.
by somebody ingood afternoon all,.
i was read the 28th chapter of matthew today.
after jesus' disciples saw he was resurrected, he told them that all power in heaven and in earth was given to him.
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Matthew 28-- the whole chapter.
by somebody ingood afternoon all,.
i was read the 28th chapter of matthew today.
after jesus' disciples saw he was resurrected, he told them that all power in heaven and in earth was given to him.
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:Somebody: I'm interested in how you view the phrase "all power"(a number of translations use the term 'all authority').
I view it as meaning that Jesus in the ONLY source of authority. Jesus' commands are the ONLY commands we should heed ,and other NO OTHER name can anyone have any hope or be at peace with what happens when one passes onto death. (which is called, salvation) Jesus said he had been given ALL power. I don't think anyone has the right to take that power/authority away and give it to themselves. Otherwise, the Bible would state that they could, or that Jesus gave it away.
What is your view?
That's my view,
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Matthew 28-- the whole chapter.
by somebody ingood afternoon all,.
i was read the 28th chapter of matthew today.
after jesus' disciples saw he was resurrected, he told them that all power in heaven and in earth was given to him.
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Hi Frenchy, and thank you for the welcome. :-)
:However, I have to disagree with you on a couple of points. JW's do teach the resurrection of Jesus and that his position next to Jehovah is one of great power over all creation. That might not be the opening statement in the door to door work but it certainly is one of their teachings.
Matthew 28, verse 18....Jesus said he was given ALL power over heaven and earth. It doesn't say "great" power, so I guess we aren't going to agree on that. Right after Jesus told his disciples that all power was given to him, he said (verse19)...go, therefore, and teach the nations , baptizing them in ....etc. So that is what he was telling his disciples to teach, in my opinion. He told them to teach that he has been given all power and to obey his commands. One can't ever get to the Father without going through him fisrt.:As for the persecution, they have indeed undergone quite a bit of persecution. Inasmuch as they consider themselves Christians, it's not hard to see how they consider this persecution to be for the sake of Jesus' name.
Perhaps you are right on that. I just said that I, personally, have never seen them persecuted on account of Jesus' name. When I was in high school, (I'm speaking of only one type of persecution now) nobody bothered the Jehovah's Witnesses. People always bothered the students that said " Jesus saves." or " Praise the Lord, Jesus Christ."
Till next time,
somebody~~~~~If I lived back in the wild west days, instead of carrying a six-gun in my holster, I'd carry a soldering iron. That way, if some smart-aleck cowboy said something like "Hey, look. She's carrying a soldering iron!" and started laughing, and everybody else started laughing, I could just say, "That's right, it's a soldering iron. The soldering iron of justice." Then everybody would get real quiet and ashamed, because they had made fun of the soldering iron of justice, and I could probably hit them up for a free drink~~~~~~~
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Defining Christianity
by Carmel init seems i constantly am confronted with those who are trying to make a "christian" out of me.
in various threads on this forum the term is used as if everyone understands what it means and there is no fuzzy edges.. i wonder if all here assume that only those that follow "jesus" are to be considered "christian"?.
consider that the title "christ" was not the name of the nazarene, only a title!
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Hi Carmel,
I'll go whith what you said regarding the Webster definitions. The Biblical definaition of a Christian though, is an adherent of Christ; follower of Christ. in the Bible, they were called "believers" because of the fact that they were adherents of Jesus and followed him and believed in him. So....all those who were believers made up Christianity.
That is my opinion.
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somebody~~~~~When you go in for a job interview, I think a good thing to ask is if they ever press charges.~~~
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From H20- "The Ultimate Rude Display"
by Dubby ini found this at the freeminds site.
it's a post from h20 that i just had to post.. .
posted by lovesdubs [lovesdubs] on july 02, 2000 at 16:55:22 {mw75jfstgk0hi4vk0miqsqbw4hhnmw}:.
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:both groups ignoring the one in pain in order to promote their own self interests is right.
What do you think was the reason that the person who posted the experience on H20 was?
There were "people" who attended the funeral. Was there 1 group who ignored the one in pain, or did everybody ignore the person in pain? The WBTS was never mentioned at all in the post.
My opinion is that the person who posted it on H20 was in pain too. Not at the WBTS, but at what some people "dispayed" at her friend's loved one's funeral.
Till next time,
somebody~~~~~~~~~Many people think that history is a dull subject. Dull? Is it "dull" that Jesse James once got bitten on the forehead by an ant, and at first it didn't seem like anything, but then the bite got worse and worse, so he went to a doctor in town, and the secretary told him to wait, so he sat down and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and then finally he got to see the doctor, and the doctor put some salve on it? You call that dull? ~~~~
~~~~~~If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will try to catch you because, hey, free dummy.~~~~
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From H20- "The Ultimate Rude Display"
by Dubby ini found this at the freeminds site.
it's a post from h20 that i just had to post.. .
posted by lovesdubs [lovesdubs] on july 02, 2000 at 16:55:22 {mw75jfstgk0hi4vk0miqsqbw4hhnmw}:.
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Hi, Dubby
Reading how people can have absolutely no empathy for others, or sympathy in thier heats, makes me so sad. I've heard it said that Jehovah's Witnesses ONLY, have the distinguishing mark of the love described by Jesus in the Bible. Someday...maybe someone will get to see it.
God bless,
somebody~~~~Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth you'd probably be able to get a lot of free games.~~~~~
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Matthew 28-- the whole chapter.
by somebody ingood afternoon all,.
i was read the 28th chapter of matthew today.
after jesus' disciples saw he was resurrected, he told them that all power in heaven and in earth was given to him.
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Good afternoon all,
I was read the 28th chapter of Matthew today. After Jesus' disciples saw he was resurrected, he told them that all power in heaven and in earth was given to him. He told them to teach this to all the nations and to baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and to observe what Jesus commanded them.
I'm sitting hear wondering what these scriptures have to do with what Jehovah's Witnesses preach when they go door to door. I've never heard them preach about his resurrection and that he was given ALL power in heaven and on earth when they go door to door. I was never told once to teach/preach the commision of the resurrection of Jesus spoken about in this chapter. Maybe that's why they call themselves "publishers" and not "disciples". Seems to me the teach what is "published" for them. I haven't read anywhere in the bible where it says " go therefore, and make publishers in all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and in association with god's spirit directed organization".
I always thought that the word "disciple" meant...follower of Jesus. I can't remember what scripture it is but Jesus also said that the disciples would be persecuted an account of his name. I'v never heard of a Jehovah's Witness being persecuted on account of Jesus' name either. Has anyone here heard or seen it happen? Any thoughts?
Alrighty...I'm done for now,
somebody~~~~~~If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will try to catch you because, hey, free dummy.~~~~
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LOVE THIS QUOTE
by Zep in"if you find that you are stumbled or are offended about something being taught in god's.
organization, or some adjustments being made, keep this in mind: god has put enough in the.
bible to provide a complete foundation for faith.
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Hi, Path ( and a big HI to all.. :-) )
I enjoyed reading you post. I have some more to say but don't have the time at the moment. Just 2 comments real quick:
:We could well ask “what are they going to do with all those [Witnesses disfellowshipped for following their conscience in matters such as organ transplants when they were forbidden?]” Are they going to apologize for their “over-zealousness” and welcome them back?
Some people are no longer here to even welcome back. I know that for a fact. And that is the sad, sad, sad part. Truly devastaing.
:What Becomes Evident
The inability of the Church to explain its position Scripturally makes evident an important fact: The Catholic Church has not based its teachings upon what God’s Word says. Rather, it has founded many of its beliefs and practices on the unstable traditions of men.
I wonder how the WBTS explains it's postion right now regarding changes they've made. Would they say that they found many of thier beliefs and practices on the unstable condition of men? I wonder if they would word it just like that. Makes thinking people wonder.
Till next time,
somebodyAmbition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
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LOVE THIS QUOTE
by Zep in"if you find that you are stumbled or are offended about something being taught in god's.
organization, or some adjustments being made, keep this in mind: god has put enough in the.
bible to provide a complete foundation for faith.
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Here are some quotes that are truly amazing too!
This is from an article called.....Changes That Disturb People..... in the 22nd of April 1970, Awake! Magazine.
"Changes That Disturb People
One of the reasons is that people are disturbed by what is happening in their churches. Yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong. Have you, too, felt discouragement, or even despair, because of what is happening in your church?" Awake! April 22, 1970, p.8."Changes That Disturb People
A businessman in Medellín, Colombia, expressed the effect the changes have had on many.
"Tell me," he asked, "how can I have confidence in anything? How can I believe in the Bible, in God, or have faith? Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe ‘new things.’ How do I know the ‘new things’ will be the truth in five years?" What are some of these changes that disturb people?" Awake! April 22, 1970, p.8."Should Meat Be Eaten on Friday?
FOR centuries Catholics abstained from eating meat on Fridays. It was a Church law. Many sincerely believed it was a law of Almighty God. But now this has changed. The fact is that the meatless-Friday rule was made an obligation only some 1,100 years ago. Pope Nicholas I (858-867) was the one who put it into effect. And how vital was it considered that Catholics abide by this rule? A publication that bears the Catholic imprimatur, indicating approval, states: "The Catholic Church says that it is a mortal sin for a Catholic to eat meat on Friday knowingly and wilfully, without a sufficiently grave and excusing reason." It adds: The "Church says that if a man dies in unrepented mortal sin, he will go to hell."—Radio Replies, Rumble and Carty (1938)." Awake! April 22, 1970, p.8-10"Should Meat Be Eaten on Friday?
Thus the devout carefully avoided eating meat on Fridays. They sincerely believed that failure to obey could lead to their eternal punishment in a fiery hell. But then, early in 1966, Pope Paul VI authorized local Church officials to modify this abstinence requirement in their countries as they saw fit. The pope was acting in line with recommendations made at the recently completed Second Vatican Council. Thus, in one country after another, meatless Fridays were virtually abolished—in France, Canada, Italy, Mexico, the United States, and so on.The Effect
The effect upon many devout Catholics has been devastating. "All these years I thought it was a sin to eat meat," explained a housewife in the midwestern United States. "Now I suddenly find out it isn’t a sin. That’s hard to understand." If you are a Catholic, can you understand how a practice that was considered by the Church a "mortal sin" can suddenly be approved? if it was a sin five years ago, why is it not today? Many Catholics cannot understand. When a woman in Canada was asked how she felt about the changes in her church, she replied: "I don’t know. Maybe you can tell me. What are they going to do with all those people sent to hell for eating meat on Friday?"
Not just a few Catholics have asked such questions. The change in teaching has shaken their confidence in the Church. Would you not feel the same way if what you had always been taught to be vital for salvation was suddenly considered unnecessary? Would you not be inclined to question other teachings of your church also?" Awake! April 22, 1970, p.8-10"Should Meat Be Eaten on Friday?
Many persons have begun to ask questions regarding the basis for this teaching, as well as about other Church teachings. And what especially disturbs them is that they have not received satisfying answers.What Becomes Evident
The inability of the Church to explain its position Scripturally makes evident an important fact: The Catholic Church has not based its teachings upon what God’s Word says. Rather, it has founded many of its beliefs and practices on the unstable traditions of men." Awake! April 22, 1970, p.8-10"Should Meat Be Eaten on Friday?
This is obviously true with regard to Friday meat abstinence. For, look as you may, nowhere in the Bible will you find that Christians were ever instructed to refrain from eating meat on any Friday of the year, or on any other day. It is not a requirement of God." Awake! April 22, 1970, p.8-10"Should Meat Be Eaten on Friday?
Thus, many truth-seekers are having their eyes opened to see that the Catholic Church has not been holding strictly to God’s Word. And they are wondering whether any religion that does not do so is worthy of their confidence and support. But there are other changes that are also disturbing people today." Awake! April 22, 1970, p.8-10
-------------------I can't help but think about all the changes the society has made over the years regarding matters of life or death, and yet, they would publish thier opinion of why changes that have no effect on life or death would\should disturb people in other religions. If a catholic abided to what they were previously taught regarding the "don't eat meat on Fridays" could they have died?....If a Jehovah's Witness abided to what was previously taught regarding the " organ transplants are a shortcut to consuming human flesh", could they have died when they need the transplant to live? And that isn't even metioning what the society was teaching to be God's view of vaccinations.
thinking,
somebodysomebody
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Defining Christianity
by Carmel init seems i constantly am confronted with those who are trying to make a "christian" out of me.
in various threads on this forum the term is used as if everyone understands what it means and there is no fuzzy edges.. i wonder if all here assume that only those that follow "jesus" are to be considered "christian"?.
consider that the title "christ" was not the name of the nazarene, only a title!
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Chris*tian [1] (noun)
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[Latin christianus, adjective & noun, from Greek christianos, from Christos]First appeared 1526
1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
Chris*tian*i*ty (noun)
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First appeared 14th Century1 : the religion derived from Jesus Christ, based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies
2 : conformity to the Christian religion
3 : CHRISTENDOM 2
Chris*ten*dom (noun)
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[Middle English cristendom, from Old English cristendom, from cristen]First appeared before 12th Century
1 : CHRISTIANITY 1
2 : the part of the world in which Christianity prevails
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.