the tv program was very a big expose of the way jw handle childabuse.
the reporter from sweden travel to brooklyn, and talk to bill bowen.. .
http://www.svt.se/granskning/reportage.asp?s=2993&a=2993
Thank you Nordic!
If anyone gets a hold of the transcipt, can you translate it to English? I went to the site yesterday, but after bill Bowen's statements in the video, it's in Swedish and I can't understand that language.
Here's another try at the link. Don't know if it will work.
http://www.svt.se/granskning/reportage.asp?S=2993&A=2993
peace,
somebody/gwen
i am vivamus' mum, and i have heard so much about you, that i'd like to meet you all myself.
i joined the witnesses in 1998, but i have always doubted the organization, but not the faith.
i am still jehovah's witness, but i am sure that the elders will kick me out as soon as possible, should they know what my real thoughts about the organization are.
Just caught this post and I want to welcome Viv's mom/Country Woman!
Does this mean we can all call you MOM?
Welcom Country Woman and hope you stick around.
Your daughter is one hellofah strong woman. ( hi Viv. ((((((((viv))))))))) ) I adore her!
peace,
somebody/gwen
just got back from ireland - went to knock and attended catholic mass there - because i could .
on the way to knock, i sat down for breakfast at a great little pub and ordered a 'full irish'.
blow me, but there sat a slice of black pudding on my plate - so, again, because i could, i ate it .
alliwannadoislive!
I'm SO glad you're back and congratulations!
Congratualtions on your freedom!
You didn't see Satan in the church that held the Catholic mass did ya?
I've heard that the devil lives in catholic kingdom halls/churches!
missed your absence from the board,
somebody/gwen....who learned a lot and enjoyed talks that she's heard in Catholic churches.
victoria a. boer v. watch tower bible and tract society of canada et.al.
involves vicki suing the watchtower and some of its elders.
the organization treated her paedophile father in high regard even after vicki came forward.
vicki,
believe it or not, I found that Marie Street address listed, of all places, as non-profit charitable organization from this website:
http://www.gifttool.com/charitylist/SearchList/Province=ON&Name=S&Block=6&Size=100
We should ALL send him a "donation" alright!
Stay strong, and I thank you for your courage! We'll keep you in our prayers and thoughts ! ((((((((((vic))))))))))
peace to you,
gwen/somebody & harold/zev
you know, there are some things phrased that are just so, so....watchtoweresque.
what are some things you see that remind you of some wt foibles?
one thing that always cracks me up is when an article or book (or post) uses too many exclamation points.
" the First Century Governing Body"
That ALWAYS made me roll my eyes. Considering the fact that there isn't, and never was, such thing as the first century governing body.
gwen
ok after a long biblical discussion with both my parents ( was working on mom and she pulled dad in .
pleeeeease help ---- i want to make sure they are worded just right so that way my parents can't weasel around it.
thanks in advance.
hi SpiceItUp,
Check you PM box.
peace,
somebody/gwen
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its ignored one' birthday he is 25 - lets all wish him a very happy one !!!.
happy birthday !!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!
DO SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR YOURSELF TODAY!
and have some cake!
peace,
somebody
http://www.bibledecoded.com/joining.html#j0 .
fornication defined .
this is an ex-jw religion.
ThiChi..thank you for the site. What you quoted is UNBELIEVABLE ! Maybe the site is meant to be humourous? I don't know. But I'm off to read more!
gwen
3/15/98 wt pages 10 and 11.. dangers of following men.
a "sect" has been defined as "a group adhering to a distinctive doctrine or to a leader.
" similarly, those belonging to a "cult" have "great devotion to a person, idea, or thing.
Seven!
Thank you! And I haven't seen you around in a LONG time! it's nice hearing from you again!
I hope all is well with you and my best wishes are with you.
((((((((((Gopher))))))))))
I can only hope and pray that JWs think about what i said and open their eyes. It will lead to them opening their hearts again. Never give up hope, Gopher.
Give my best to Chelbie and may love and happines always be part of your lives together.
Eduardo,
The problem is that we cannot use the basic definition of cult or sect (using your definition outlined) to make any kind of real analysis.
The definaition of sect or cult I outlined was the definition the Watchtower printed. I quoted that from their own publication. I personaly would use their defintion of cult and I agree with it. I disagree that a sect is the same as a cult. A sect is "a group"..and that is not the same thing as cult. A "real analysis" CAN can be made using the WBTS's defination of a cult. An alaysis can be made about their "organizational structure". My final analysis ,as one having been involved with the JWs for 10 years and by the Watchtower's defination of what a cult is, is this:
The Jehovah's Witness sect is a cult.
I realize that not all sects are cults.
Indeed almost every religion has some person or group in a leadership position.
That is true. And I have no problem with that. Do you agree that is a differnece between a religion and a cult? ((((((((((((( ARoarer,))))))))))))
The GB has stolen the minds and hearts of those they have blinded with fear.Ain't that the plain and simple TRUTH!
When the fear disolves healing begins.And that's another comfortable thought and fact. And I've been through it as many others here have. Thank you, ARoarer Thank you all for your replys! peace, somebody/gwen
just a question, but how is it that you can post on a site with apostates on it when we all know if the society caught you that you would be reproved and shunned like us?
also, don't you think it directly interferes with your relationship to jehovah to blatantly disregard counsel given that "bad associations spoil useful habits"?
also, the society recommends that you shun us, so why aren't you?
Sword Of Jah,
If you ever get caught posting here and associating with us and via elders you get counseled, reprooved, or istructed to stop, my suggestion would be that you say this to them, in exercizing (sp?) your Christian freedom:
"Instead of focusing on the negative, you should be thanking me for having the courage to go on the board and associate with them, as I am trying desperately to save there lives."
Then you could always tell them that as Jah's Sword, you can do that!
peace,
somebody
