. By extension, I benefit from the new covenant. BY WHAT EXTENSION? Is that extension fellow humans? A Higher Priest than Jesus? You can't have it both ways. Either the ransom ( Jesus' shed blood ) is your extension/mediator to God, or he isn't. There is NO kinda sorta here. Unless you are agreeing with the Wathtower INC's GB. The Bible says that there is only ONE mediator, or extension as you word it. So you either claim to follow the Bible or the Watchtower Society. You can serve two masters if that is what you choose to do, but you'll have a hell of time trying to do so. You'll have to keep it a secret to one, that you are following the other. That is not easy on your soul.
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Disussion with JWs re: ONE mediator
by somebody ini'm just posting this here for lurking jws to think about, and perhaps come foreward and explain their thoughts to us here on jwd.com
2/1/98 wt page 17. .
16 israel not only was a kingdom but also had an anointed priesthood.
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Disussion with JWs re: ONE mediator
by somebody ini'm just posting this here for lurking jws to think about, and perhaps come foreward and explain their thoughts to us here on jwd.com
2/1/98 wt page 17. .
16 israel not only was a kingdom but also had an anointed priesthood.
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Hi wednesday,
i told my husband about this, and he said "then why do we pray "in jesus name"? He said they did not say that or i must have misundrestood.
I agree that JWs do not know what they are supposed to SAY that their human leaders/WT teach. I've come to the conclusion that for every question you ask them, thee are TWO opposite answers printed by the WTS by there play on words. ONE answer for the public, ONE answer for INSIDERS. That is why the WT teach their own followers to direct interested ones " from INITIAL CONTACT" to the organization, and tell it's own followers that they may be able to locate scriptures, but that's about it. Forget trying to explain their beliefs and backing those beliefs up with scriptures in THEIR OWN WORDS. The WT make sure that their followers STAY in the doublethink/confusion state of mind at all time. And they've been taught NOT TO independently think/think for themselves and make up their own minds on what they believe. That helps me to TRY to understand why they can't explain what they believe. I have talked to one years ago who stated what he believed YEARS ago. Even though his words did NOT GO against Watchtower dogma, he still felt the need to add a discalimer to cover his own butt from the wrath of the Watchtower INC. peace, gwenA lot of JWS don't really know what the WTS teaches .
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Disussion with JWs re: ONE mediator
by somebody ini'm just posting this here for lurking jws to think about, and perhaps come foreward and explain their thoughts to us here on jwd.com
2/1/98 wt page 17. .
16 israel not only was a kingdom but also had an anointed priesthood.
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Will Power,
Can you put a link in here to Lady Lee's, thread? I miss so many topics and threads only because traffic is so heavy here.
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Disussion with JWs re: ONE mediator
by somebody ini'm just posting this here for lurking jws to think about, and perhaps come foreward and explain their thoughts to us here on jwd.com
2/1/98 wt page 17. .
16 israel not only was a kingdom but also had an anointed priesthood.
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DJ,
So you are saying that Jesus is your mediator in a Non-strict bible sense. Oh. I suppose that next you will show us the scriptures that say that Jesus is a sort of, kind of like mediator angel named Michael.
Ask a JW to describe it and they won't use those two words ( kind and sorta ) but that IS what they are saying. As long as SordofJah says that Jesus is his ONE mediator, and BELIEVES THAT,then I'm happy that that it his or her belief. I'm just sad that he or she can't publicly speak if he were a JW that because he'll be accused of being an apostate of God if he right out said that the GB of the Watchtower Inc./faithful and discreet slave have NO mediatorship between people and God.
And I suppose SwordOfJah would have to expalin the difference between "strict Bible sense" and "non-strict Bible sense".
I'm just happy that he feels Jesus is his ONE mediator and therefore does not NEED to be assoicaited with the Watchtower INC. to render sacred service to God and to pray to God.
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Disussion with JWs re: ONE mediator
by somebody ini'm just posting this here for lurking jws to think about, and perhaps come foreward and explain their thoughts to us here on jwd.com
2/1/98 wt page 17. .
16 israel not only was a kingdom but also had an anointed priesthood.
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i can't ask you all to go make your comments to the JWs because it;s on a DB board that only aol members can get to. This is one time that aol doesn't suck
. I meant that aol doesn't suck because I can get to the db . NOT because some of you can't! Just thought I'd clarify that because that didn't look right when I read it over again. It didn't say what I wanted to say about aol only. damn those viscious circles in my mind! peace to you all, gwen
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Disussion with JWs re: ONE mediator
by somebody ini'm just posting this here for lurking jws to think about, and perhaps come foreward and explain their thoughts to us here on jwd.com
2/1/98 wt page 17. .
16 israel not only was a kingdom but also had an anointed priesthood.
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The key phrase from the quote is: " So in this strict Biblical sense". So my belief stands. I'm gald your belief stands. Because what was published by the Watchtower INC is NOT EVEN IN THE BIBLE SENSE..let alone the strictest. (((((((expat))))))))) aka...banana man Thank you for yet another reference stating that the WT teach that the reamining of the 1444,000, no matter what year and how many reamining are taught to be the mediator between god and man. There is one JW who states that others and I can't keep up with the teachings of the WT. Well.....that alone takes a lot of research! The teaching is THE SAME, just worded differently than it was worded in 1979. ( I wish I could start my life over from that year! ) i can't ask you all to go make your comments to the JWs because it;s on a DB board that only aol members can get to. This is one time that aol doesn't suck. peace, gwen Thank you ALL for your comments and thougths...althought I'm still trying to understand the power of cheese.
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Disussion with JWs re: ONE mediator
by somebody ini'm just posting this here for lurking jws to think about, and perhaps come foreward and explain their thoughts to us here on jwd.com
2/1/98 wt page 17. .
16 israel not only was a kingdom but also had an anointed priesthood.
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I'm just posting this here for lurking JWs to think about, and perhaps come foreward and explain their thoughts to us here on JWD.com
2/1/98 WT page 17
16 Israel not only was a kingdom but also had an anointed priesthood. In 33 C.E., the Israel of God replaced fleshly Israel and became Jehovah's "servant," his "witnesses." (Isaiah 43:10) Jehovah's words to Israel recorded at Isaiah 43:21 and Exodus 19:5, 6 henceforth applied to the spiritual Israel of God. God's new spiritual nation was now "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession," responsible for 'declaring abroad Jehovah's excellencies.' (1 Peter 2:9) All in the Israel of God, men and women, form a collective priesthood. (Galatians 3:28, 29) As the subsidiary part of the seed of Abraham, they now say: "Be glad, you nations, with his people." (Deuteronomy 32:43) Those of spiritual Israel still remaining on earth make up "the faithful and discreet slave." (Matthew 24:45-47) Only in association with them can acceptable sacred service be rendered to God.
20 Still, we may ask, Do the Abrahamic covenant and the new covenant involve only these 144,000 faithful souls? No, others who are not directly in these covenants will be blessed through them, as will be seen in the following article.
16. What kind of priesthood is the Israel of God?
19, 20. (a) For those in the new covenant, what final, glorious fulfillment will Jehovah's promise to Abraham have? (b) What further question needs to be considered?
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3 For the 144,000, the blessing of the Abrahamic covenant is administered through the new covenant. As participants in this covenant, they come "under undeserved kindness" and "under law toward Christ." (Romans 6:15; 1 Corinthians 9:21) Hence, only the 144,000 members of the Israel of God have properly partaken of the emblems during the Memorial of Jesus' death, and only with them did Jesus make his covenant for a Kingdom. (Luke 22:19, 20, 29) Members of the great crowd are not participants in the new covenant. However, they associate with the Israel of God and live with them in their "land." (Isaiah 66:8) So it is reasonable to say that they too come under Jehovah's undeserved kindness and under the law toward Christ. While not participants in the new covenant, they are beneficiaries of it.
3. How are anointed Christians and other sheep different with regard to the new covenant?Explain how Jesus is your SOLE mediator between you and GOD please...and NOT the "faithful and discreet" slave, which is represented by the GB of the Watchtower society. Is this article not saying that your sacred service to God ( please keep in mind that worshipping God is part of sacred service rendered to God ) isn't even acceptable to God WITHOUT associating with the remaining 144,000 on earth today?
SOLE means ONLY....ONE mediator.
Please explain it to all here the same way you explain it yourselves in your hearts. Word it the same way you do when you justify this to yoursleves.
I hope you believe that Jesus is your ONE mediator and agree that the WBTS are not teaching the TRUTH in these articles. This is clearly a false teaching if you compare it to what Jesus said in the Bible in regards to Him being the ONE mediator between man and God. because if you don't, then when the reaimaing anointed JWs die, you'll have know way to render sacred service to God. And you no longer will be able to recieve God's blessings, seeing as how you do now.... THROUGH THEM, as your leaders published as spiritual food in thier liturature. And the above article says "it's reasonable to say" that you all "come under Jehovah's undeserved kindness and under the law toward Christ" BY ASSOCIATING with the remaining 144,000. NOT THROUGH CHRIST.
I personaly think that it is UNREASONABLE TO SAY.
Has these teachings of the WTS now considered old truth/ old light? Do they now teach that you are under the new covenent/Law of Christ through Christ's shed blood? And not through association with the people who make up the faithful and discreet slave?Keep in mind that the MEN who make up the "Governing Body of the Watchtower Society INC." REPRESENT the "faithful and discreet" slave.
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gwen
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Stuck in a never-ending rut
by somebody inhave any of you been stuck in a rut when filling out a job application when it came to filling out that dreaded portion that requires you to:.
list at least 3 persons who are not related to you who have known you for 5 or more years.. .
it's that moment that you can't list all your "friends" in the borg, because they are not going to give you a true reference regarding what kind of person you are.
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I feel like I'm old too! where do I start? and what the hell is up with this resume shit? My view on that alone would make no one want to hire this old chick with lots of life's experience.
I say...give us a chance!
it's their loss sometimes. that's how I feel.
What is that song from the wizard of Oz? If I only had a friend?
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Stuck in a never-ending rut
by somebody inhave any of you been stuck in a rut when filling out a job application when it came to filling out that dreaded portion that requires you to:.
list at least 3 persons who are not related to you who have known you for 5 or more years.. .
it's that moment that you can't list all your "friends" in the borg, because they are not going to give you a true reference regarding what kind of person you are.
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dear ((((((angharad))))))))))))),
I understand!
If I were you I would resist the urge and get to know personaly the other moms and dads that have children who go to school with your two boys. I'm sure you all have so much in common, raising children. Therefore you can make real, unconditional friendship and you can feel free to put them down as references, as they would you. Get to know people! I think the biggest benefit of that is real friendship, more than it is being able to supply job references. You are still young and you are a wonderful person. I can tell that just from you being on the board. I do know that you're shy and I remember Simon trying to prod you to post on the board because he knew you had so much to share but your shyness was keeping you from doing so!
I'm glad that your overpowered your shyness to that extent. We've all benefitted ( is that a word? ) :-) from you posting your thoughts!
No all you have to do is hope that you find an employer who will understand you seeing as how you can't put the conditional " friends " down as references. The worldly people will put no conditions on your friendship if you can find it in you to relax around them. Their love and concern will be real. If not, you'll be able to sence it right away by their actions in the workplace.
And I think most employers understand moms taking a few years off to raise their children to school age at least. especailly when they have more than one child.
I worked the same job almost since the 80's when my kids were kids! So it's only NOW that I have to provide references who are not related to me. My boss retired and shut down the company 5 months ago. I've been scared to death looking for a new job, with new people.
peace,
gwen
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Stuck in a never-ending rut
by somebody inhave any of you been stuck in a rut when filling out a job application when it came to filling out that dreaded portion that requires you to:.
list at least 3 persons who are not related to you who have known you for 5 or more years.. .
it's that moment that you can't list all your "friends" in the borg, because they are not going to give you a true reference regarding what kind of person you are.
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Have any of you been stuck in a rut when filling out a job application when it came to filling out that dreaded portion that requires you to:
List at least 3 persons who are not related to you who have known you for 5 or more years.
It's that moment that you can't list all your "friends" in the borg, because they are not going to give you a TRUE reference regarding what kind of person you are. They now see you as evil becaue you "went apostate" because you left the organization/their god.
It finally dawns on you that you have no friends who aren't related to you. because all the people you worked with who weren't JWs, were considered "worldy people" who you never got to know because of that evil label you put on them and stayed away and did not want to be "mixing in with their company". So you can't list them as references because they don't even know who you are if they were ever called.
I've been out of the borg for about 20 years and still cannot list 3 damn friends as contacts. I was taught to be antisocial in the borg, and I pay the price forever.
Some people may scoff at this, but the borg has affected us all in different ways. Those who scoff at it is because it is not one of the ways the borg affected them personally.
I'm just venting on ONE way that it affected me till death do I part.
peace,
somebody/gwen...of the friendless class.