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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

jwposter

Chronology alone settles the issue of whether there can be a a destruction of the temple in 586/585 BC and therefore the idea that the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar could be in 568, BC.

Solomon's Temple was dedicated in 950 BC. This alone eliminates the possibility that the VAT can refer to 568 BC.

You have to remember, there are the remaining years of Solomons Reign which approx 28 more years. Then you have the 390 years of the Kings as spoken of by Ezekiel 4. And about 3 years in between before the House of Judah departed. So in all about 420 years from the Dedication of the Temple to its destruction.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

jwposter

I also want to say that I give more weight to the original Neugebauer and Weidner translation than I do to the Sachs and Hunger translation. The reason for this is nothing against the expertise of the latter but because I believe once the dates of the Neo Babylonian era were affixed where they are accepted today as roughly 626-539 BC that the astronomical analysis would be looked at from those years to further define some of the lesser understood cuneiform signs. Nothing wrong with that approach, in fact, it is necessary but leads to errors when this is done against the wrong years and the longer those years are used to create the dataset used for the analysis is in the wild, the longer the actual facts may allude us as the datasets derived from that analysis is further extended with errors.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

jwposter

Sorry been busy. I have not had much time and wont have much time for the couple days or so. However, just catching up a bit. So I went in to Stellarium this morning and had a screenshot still sitting in my snipping tool I posted when discussing the subject of "front of", "behind" etc.. I notice that I was not presenting the correct information on what front of and behind is on some of the posts. So from now on I'm going to make a habit of verifying my view first. I'll believe I flipped the ecliptic and when I took the marking off for the screenshot was lazy about the verification.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

jwposter

“Behind”: the Akkadian word, arki, is abbreviated to ar2. The directions “behind” and “in front of” are defined in relation to the daily rotation of the sky which proceeds from east to west for an observer in the northern hemisphere, i.e. “behind” is “to the east of”, and “in front of” is “to the west of”.

Notice above this is from the OBSERVERS point of reference. Anyone in their astronomy program can see in the northern hemisphere by simply clicking the days forward will see the constellations move from east to west just as described above. And this Front and Behind designation is from the observers point of view.

This obviously causes problems for the -567 adherents. Again, they are caught in a problem when on the First day of the month that in -567 the moon is in Front of and not behind Taurus while at the SAME time Saturn is behind the Swallow.

Swallow is part of Pisces but not Piscis_Austrinus which is the original designation in line 2.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

jwposter

Southern fish was the name for Piscis_Austrinus in the original translation of the VAT and preceded the change later to the Swallow. Here is from the original translated to English by Ann O'Maly

2. Saturn opposite the southern Fish of the Zodiac. On the morning of the 2 nd , a

rainbow formed an arc in the west. On the night of the 3 rd , the moon 2 cubits in front

of [...].

Reference:

Ein astronomischer Beobachtungstext aus dem 37. Jahre

Nebukadnezars II (-567/66)

By Paul V. Neugebauer and Ernst F. Weidner.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

jwposter

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piscis_Austrinus

"Pisces Austrinus originated with the Babylonian constellation simply known as the Fish (MUL.KU)"

Parts of constellation Aquarius may have be associated with the the Fish or (southern fish) constellation. See the following for more on this:

Ein astronomischer Beobachtungstext aus dem 37. Jahre

Nebukadnezars II (-567/66)

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

jwposter

-567

Obverse Line 2:

2: Saturn was in front of the Swallow. The 2nd, in the morning, a rainbow stretched in the west. Night of the

(corresponding to month 1 day 1). Notice it says that Saturn is in FRONT of the Swallow but the astronomy shows it is BEHIND the Swallow.

A pic showing this for -567 with Babylonian MUL.APIN skylore:

You can see already that -567 fails in the first two lines of the Obverse. Now consider how profound that is because if the moon if off in the first line and that translation is correct then the observations relative to the moon are off on all the rest. So any other potential alignments would have to be compensated for an acceptance of this displacement.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

jwposter

Obv'

1: Year 37 of Nebukadnezar, king of Babylon. Month I (the 1st of which was identical with) the 30th (of the

preceding month), the moon became visible behind the Bull of Heaven; [sunset to moonset:] .... [ .... ]

Here is -567 showing that the Moon is NOT behind the Bull of Heaven:

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

jwposter

Reference:

Mathieu Ossendrijver (Berlin) Translating Babylonian Astronomical Diaries and Procedure Texts

“Behind”: the Akkadian word, arki, is abbreviated to ar2. The directions “behind” and “in front of” are defined in relation to the daily rotation of the sky which proceeds from east to west for an observer in the northern hemisphere, i.e. “behind” is “to the east of”, and “in front of” is “to the west of”.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

jwposter

2 - Saturn opposite the southern Fish of the Zodiac. On the morning of the 2nd, a rainbow formed an arc in the west. On the night of the 3rd, the moon 2 cubits in front of [ ... ].

Piscis Austrinus was the Southern Fish. Again this is day 1 of the first month: