Ok, I think I demonstrated enough here to show that Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year can not be -567 and is actually -511 (512 B.C.E) I won't be back here for awhile as I write up more analysis on this and do more studies as I get together the ones that are ready and getting ready. I came for those users that are are JWs to give them another look at the VAT. Was a pleasure to be here. If anyone needs to get a hold of me just message.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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So the newer translation that I posted earlier from 1988 by S/H is an echo of the same problem reported in the earlier text from 1915 as seen below:
3. ... At the beginning of the night of the 8th, the moon 1 cubit in front of the star at the rear foot of the Lion. On the 9th, the sun was surrounded by a halo in the west.
So as you can see both text had the same problem. Since the Moon is actually BEHIND and not in FRONT of.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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A major problem with -567 is that it doesn't fit line 3:
3: it rained? Night of the 9th (error for 8th ), beginning of the night, the moon stood 1 cubit in front of β Leonis. The 9th, the sun in the west [was surrounded] by a halo 3: [ .... The 11th ]
The moon is actually behind Beta Leonis at the time mentioned and not in front as specified. Since the moon determines the beginning of the month this is a big deal because we can't trust the subsequent findings. Now in -511, the moon is in front of Beta Leonis.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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So I think for the readers that I have given enough information to thoroughly see that the Jews observed the lunar sabbaths at the time of Christ and before. There are much more sources. Here are a few including some already mentioned:
https://thescripturalcalendar.com/lunisolar-biblical-calendar-witnesses/
Of course Hlllel II was the one that fixed the calendar and moved away from the lunar-solar calendar in the 4th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillel_II
Philo was also a contemporary of Jesus who wrote about the relationship of the festivals to the 15th day and the lunar month and how the moon's phases were related to the week.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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The Jewish Encyclopedia says,
Those [appointed Festivals] connected with the moon: (a) Sabbath; (b) New Moon; and (c) the New Moon of the seventh month. Jewish Encyclopedia.com, the unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia, “Festivals,” Classification of Festivals, Emil Hirsch, Vol. 5, p. 376.
The moon was the beneficent… [herald] of the shepherds in the region and climate where ancient Israel had its ancestral home. Hence the many traces of lunar institutions in even the latest Israelitish cult and its phraseology… The Sabbath, as marking the end of the week, reveals its lunar origin; the phases of the moon having taught the shepherds, whose weal or woe depends so largely upon the benevolence or malevolence of the night season, to divide the period elapsing between two new moons into four equal groups (weeks), the last day of each… Indications are not wanting that at first the New Moon festival was not counted among the seven days of the week (see Week); but after… New Moon days… a new cycle of four weeks began… Later, the week and the Sabbath became fixed [according to the Babylonian/Roman continuous weekly cycle]; and this gradually resulted in taking away from the New Moon festival its popular importance. Jewish Encyclopedia.com, the unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia, “Festivals,” Pastoral Feasts, Emil Hirsch, Vol. 5, p. 376.
Under the reign of Constantius the persecutions of the Jews reached such a height that the computation of the (luni-solar) calendar (was) forbidden under pain of severe punishment. The Jewish Encyclopedia, “Calendar.”
At the end of four weeks an interval of one or two days [30th day and New Moon Day] … intervene before the new [lunar month and] week could begin. At an early date [359 AD], however, this intimate connection between the week and the moon must have been dissolved. Jewish Encyclopedia.com, unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia, “Week,” by Emil G. Hirsch, Vol. 12, p. 481.
A unit of time; the period between one new moon and another. According to the account of Creation in Genesis, it was decreed that the “lesser light” should “rule the night” and serve “for signs and for seasons” [mo’edim] (Gen. 1:14). The Psalmist also says, “He appointed the moon for seasons” [mo’edim] (Ps. 104:19).” Undoubtedly there was an occasional interpolation of an extra [automatic lunar] month to correct the lunar year to the solar cycle; and it is evident from the fact that the festivals named in given months—such as Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles—all had to do with crops…the highest antiquity. The relation of the months to the signs of the zodiac is a further evidence that the solar-lunar year was employed. Jewish Encyclopedia, “Month,” Cyrus Adler, Judah David Eisenstein, Vol. 8, p.671.
The history of the Jewish calendar may be divided into three periods—the Biblical, the Talmudic, and the post-Talmudic. The first rested purely on the observation of the sun and the moon, the second on observation and reckoning, the third entirely on reckoning. Jewish Encyclopedia.com, the unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia, “History of the Calendar,” by Joseph Jacobs, Cyrus Adler, Vol. 3, p. 498.
The Sabbath depending, in Israel’s nomadic period, upon the observation of the phases of the moon, it could not, accordingly be a fixed day [meaning a fixed planetary day of the modern Roman cycling week]. The Jewish Encyclopedia: A Descriptive Record of the History. Edited by Isidore Singer, Cyrus Adler, Volume 10, p. 590.
[When] dissociated from the moon, the Sabbath developed into a day of rest for the workers and animals on the farm… Traces of the old taboo [forbidden New Moon and lunar calendar model from creation] are, however, found. In Amos 8:5 it is the fear of… consequences [for not abstaining from work on the New Moon Day and Sabbath] that keeps the impatient merchants from plying their wicked trade. The Assyrian [Babylonian/Roman] calendar seems to disclose an effort to get rid of the movable [lunar] Sabbath in favor of the fixed [continuous weekly cycle]. Jewish Encyclopedia.com, Jewish Encyclopedia 1906, SABBATH, Emil G. Hirsch, Joseph Jacobs, Executive Committee of the Editorial Board, Julius H. Greenstone, Vol. 10, p. 591.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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The 1899 edition of the Encyclopedia Biblica says,
The Hebrew Sabbath (i.e. Creation Sabbath) was originally a Sabbathon…it was celebrated at intervals of seven days, corresponding with the changes in the moon’s phases. Encyclopaedia Biblica, 1899, p. 4180.
The Hebrew month is a lunar month and the quarter of this period – one phase of the moon – appears to have determined the week of seven days. Encyclopaedia Biblica, 1899, p. 4780.
The introduction of the custom of celebrating the Sabbath every 7th day, irrespective of the relationship of the day to the moon’s phases , led to a complete separation from the ancient view of the Sabbath. Encyclopaedia Biblica, 1903 p. 5290.
In the years following Clement of Alexandria’s time, an ominous change started to take place that was to radically change the Christian concept of the Sabbath. This intimate connection between the week and the month was soon dissolved. It is certain that the week so on followed a development of its own, and it became the custom — without paying any regard to the days of the month (i.e. the lunar month) — … so that the New Moon no longer coincided with the first day [of the month ]. Encyclopedia Biblica , (1899 edit.), p. 5290.
The four quarters of the moon supply an obvious division of the month…it is most significant that in the older parts of the Hebrew scriptures the new moon and the Sabbath are almost invariably mentioned together . The [Lunar] month is beyond question an old sacred division of time common to all the Semites ; even the Arabs, who received the week at quite a late period from the Syrians, greeted the New Moon with religious acclamations. We cannot tell [exactly] when the Sabbath became disassociated from the month. Encyclopedia Biblica (1899 edit.), pp. 4178 and 4179
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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From Clement of Alexandria:
In periods of seven days the moon undergoes its changes. In the first week she becomes half moon; in the second [week], full moon; and in the third [week], in her wane, again half moon; and in the fourth [week] she disappears. In vol. 6, chapter 16 of The Stromata
Neither worship as the Jews…[for] if the moon is not visible, they do not hold the Sabbath, which is called the first; nor do they hold the new moon, nor the feast of Unleavened Bread, nor the Feast, nor the Great Day.’ In The Stromata ch.5
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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So if you said that it is was ok for the Sabbath to fall on the new moon then your affirming a belief that the sabbaths are not bound by the moon. In such cases then if the moon falls on the 5th day of the week, you are stuck in what to do with the doors.
The Jews needed the moon in order to observe the Sabbath day.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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What is always interesting is the response you get from those that believe the Sabbaths were based on solar days of the week when you ask a question in regards to the following:
Ezekiel 46:1,3
Thus saith the Master YHWH; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the New Moon it shall be opened. Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before YHWH in the Sabbaths and in the New Moons
The question for those that believe the Sabbaths were always on solar day is what do you do if the Sabbath falls on the day of the new moon?
Of course those that know that the sabbaths are pertaining the the phases of the moon have no difficultly with that answer.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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And for anyone that may wonder if Sabbaths could have really been according to the Lunar Phases of the moon. See page 410 here:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Universal_Jewish_Encyclopedia/OrttAAAAMAAJ?q=410&gbpv=1#f=false