The same reason that Ray Franz wrote his book got me thinking. He mentioned that if you saw someone doing something harmful in some way would you warn them or would you let them be completely responsible for themselves. Say that they don?t realize what they are doing is harming them or unhealthy, would you try to take steps to help them? Do we have a moral responsibility to help others that we see are hurting themselves whether it be physical, emotional, mental or psychologically? Or do we just walk by with the attitude that?s their life and who are we to butt in? What if they are not in a position to help them or need an unbiased 3rd party point of view? How many times have you seen something that didn?t set right with you and you had the power to perhaps make a difference but you didn?t? What happened? Do you regret that choice? Or if you did stick your nose ?in their business? was it helpful and appreciated? What about ?interventions?? Whether it?s someone with a drug, alcohol, abuse, depression or other issue that should be helped by a professional? Would you feel right stepping up and taking some responsibility? What if there was someone else who was at stake but didn?t know it? Would you step in if only to help that person? Sometimes I see people that appear to need this extra help but I?m scared to step in because I think maybe I don?t really have the answers and I might do more harm than good. But then I always get that nagging feeling of ?what if?. For me it has happened both ways. I have stuck my helping hand where it wasn?t supposed to be and have gotten good and bad results. How do you know when you should get involved? Thanks for any suggestions.
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Are you responsible for others?
by SpiceItUp inthe same reason that ray franz wrote his book got me thinking.
he mentioned that if you saw someone doing something harmful in some way would you warn them or would you let them be completely responsible for themselves.
say that they don?t realize what they are doing is harming them or unhealthy, would you try to take steps to help them?
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When does it become a cult?
by SpiceItUp inmatty and i have gotten several books lately.
right now we are both reading "30 years a watchtower slave" and "awakening of a jehovahs witness".
both we highly recommend.. anyway in the midst of it all he asked me: when did it turn into a cult?.
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Hey thanks for all the replies....lots of good input...
We also got Steve Hassan's book...although Matty is reading it first...but we'll let you know how it is.
btw--Has anyone ever read David Reed's "how to rescue your loved ones from the Watchtower" and what did you think and did it work?
btw--- Zen Nudust-- What part of FL do you live in?
Cheers
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When does it become a cult?
by SpiceItUp inmatty and i have gotten several books lately.
right now we are both reading "30 years a watchtower slave" and "awakening of a jehovahs witness".
both we highly recommend.. anyway in the midst of it all he asked me: when did it turn into a cult?.
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Matty and I have gotten several books lately. Right now we are both reading "30 years a watchtower slave" and "Awakening of a jehovahs witness"
Both we highly recommend.Anyway in the midst of it all he asked me: When did it turn into a cult?It got me thinking. Did they start out knowing that they wanted mind-control over people? That and a few other questions were raised.
I gave him an answer after thinking about it for a while.... it becomes a cult when the importance of the "organization" becomes more important than the individual.
But I'm sure its more than that.
Whats your thought on this.....when does it happen....is it something thats conscious or does it just start to grow on it own?
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Simply Irresistable no More...Palmer Dead
by SpiceItUp inhttp://www.cnn.com/2003/showbiz/music/09/26/britain.palmer/index.html
singer robert palmer dies at 54
friday, september 26, 2003 posted: 8:36 am edt (1236 gmt).
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/26/britain.palmer/index.html
Singer Robert Palmer dies at 54
Friday, September 26, 2003 Posted: 8:36 AM EDT (1236 GMT)
Palmer performs at Wembley Stadium, London, in 1997. LONDON, England -- Rock singer Robert Palmer has died in Paris of a heart attack at the age of 54, his manager said.
The British star, whose chart hits in the 1980s included "Addicted to Love," suffered the attack in the early hours of Friday morning, Mick Cater said.
Palmer, who had lived in Switzerland for 16 years, was staying in the French capital with his partner, Mary Ambrose, after travelling from the United Kingdom where he had been recording a TV show.
"I can't say anything else at this point, I'm just in shock," Cater of What Management in England told CNN.
Palmer was in several British rock bands before he hit the big time as a solo artist with singles that also included "Simply Irresistible.
The slick "Addicted to Love" video, featuring the sharply dressed Palmer and miniskirted models, became one of MTV's most-played clips and sparked protests from some feminists.
"I'm not going to attach inappropriate significance to it because at the time it meant nothing. It's just happened to become an iconic look," Palmer once said of the video.
Palmer formed the Power Station in 1985 with John Taylor and Andy Taylor from Duran Duran, scoring three U.S. Top 10 hits, including "Communication" and "Get it On."
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Finders Keepers?
by SpiceItUp infinders keepers?.
what do you do when you find something that doesn't belong to you?
what if it has no name or any way of locating the owner.
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well I have returned money when I found $20 at work in the bathroom but yesterday I found a 24 pack of soda on the bottom of a cart. I looked around to see if anyone might have left it then grabbed it for myself. I think if it had been something that had a significant value I would have made more of an effort to find the owner. Ahh well my soda now.
Thanks for the replies.
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Finders Keepers?
by SpiceItUp infinders keepers?.
what do you do when you find something that doesn't belong to you?
what if it has no name or any way of locating the owner.
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Finders Keepers?
What do you do when you find something that doesn't belong to you? What if it has no name or any way of locating the owner. Do you take it if it seems it might be something you can use? Or do you leave it? Does it depend on the value? If its something cheap do you just figure that its really not worthwhile trying to find the owner? If its expensive would you make an attempt at locating them?
Example: Aprox 6 years my boss at the time was shopping at Wal-Mart and found abandoned in a shopping cart outside a brand-new camera. it was a $300 camera as she looked at the price inside afterwards. Now ultimately she kept it but not without first letting Wal-mart know that she found it and she gave her phone # so that the owner if they called could reach her. Now she checked with them after a few days to see if anyone called about it but noone had. Therefore she felt she had done her duty to find the owner and now it was hers.
Today I found something in a similiar manner. After I get some responses I'll let you know what it was and what I did. I just wanted your input on moral and values with situations like this.
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Orlando?
by SpiceItUp inwell it looks like i will prolly have to pop up to orlando on august 14-15th for work.
i'd like to meet up for dinner with anyone in the area if possible.. let me know.
cheers!
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Oh darn it Matty... I was really hoping you could make it
Ya sure Reborn....you're not avoiding me are you Ah well that means you'll have to visit me sometime.
bttt.... anyone else in the area (please don't leave me stuck with my colleagues)
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Orlando?
by SpiceItUp inwell it looks like i will prolly have to pop up to orlando on august 14-15th for work.
i'd like to meet up for dinner with anyone in the area if possible.. let me know.
cheers!
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well it looks like I will prolly have to pop up to Orlando on August 14-15th for work.
I'd like to meet up for dinner with anyone in the area if possible.
Let me know. [email protected]
cheers!
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how are you still affected?
by SpiceItUp insure there are some of us who have been "out" for years and others that are only out by their mindset but due to many reasons still have to save face.. in what ways do you still feel the hold of the wt in you?
do you still pick out your music/movies carefully?
does nudity and/or language still offend you to a deafening degree?
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Sure there are some of us who have been "out" for years and others that are only out by their mindset but due to many reasons still have to save face.
In what ways do you still feel the hold of the WT in you? Do you still pick out your music/movies carefully? Does nudity and/or language still offend you to a deafening degree? Do you still "judge" other by appearance? Are you still turned off my "magical" stuff (ie Harry Potter)?
What are the after effects (or side effects if you will) that you still encounter? Sometimes we may not even ralize that its a dub thing until we examine it later on.
For me I have noticed that I still constantly look to please others. I have learned that making myself happy is more important but I find that those thoughts still creep in now and then and I don't feel worthy to do something just for me.
What about you?
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U.S. Women Like Brit Men Better
by GinnyTosken inthis just in from the globe weekly tabloid of july 29, 2003:.
it's not just stars like gwyneth paltrow, madonna, gillian anderson, liv tyler, and gwen stefani--british guys are many american gals' cup of tea.. "british men are more articulate, mature, and sophisticated," says cary cooper, a university of manchester (england) psychologist, who isn't entirely biased since he was born in hollywood and has citizenship of both the u.s. and the u.k. he adds that british men are better listeners and pay more attention to their women, while u.s. men are too juvenile.. "british men also invest more in a relationship and are more emotional," cooper says.. "american men are good at talking about emotion, but really that's all it is, talk.".
speaking of talk, might those sexy accents have something to do with it?.
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U.S. Women Like Brit Men Better
I sure do
Palmer performs at Wembley Stadium, London, in 1997.