Posts by SwordOfJah

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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

by Dogpatch in

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from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

SwordOfJah

Benderr:

Come on, you know that it's not true that a molester would be moved to a different congregation. If JWs handle one thing right it's the judicial process. No one is exempt. Even if someone tries to "run-away" from facing a judicial committee and moves to a different congregation, the original will contact the new congregation and inform them of what's going on. If you've ever changed congregations, you know that this information is detailed on who you are and what kind of Witness to where in the original congregation.

outoftheorg:

It's difficult for me to comment on your particular case. It does seem odd, but you must be leaving out some important details about the case. What did the elders tell the Legal Department? Why would the Legal Department tell them to drop it? Was there enough proof? What was the elders reasoning behind the decision? Many questions are unanswered. Since you are so close to the case, it's hard to comment on a one-sided story.

pettygrudger:

I agree with you and I'm not saying everything is perfect with the way elders hanlded some cases. I know they misjudge and make grave errors. The Society will most of the time go by what the local elders are doing and saying about the case. I'm sorry you were treated that way. I do believe these elders will have to answer to Jehovah in the end. I really don't want to be in their shoes. At the same time, I know very well that someone is capable of lieing, specially if they are pissed off at the Organization.

gcc2k:

If you have asked question to me and I have not answered, I'm sorry. I have not noticed any direct questions. Again in your post, you state your opnion but there is no question directed at me. So I read your opinion and then leave it at that.

avishai & Nathan:

Yes.

Mary:

Mary, I'm from the same planet as you. Obviously you like to exxagerate for impact. You say: "What planet are YOU from? These pedophiles are never DF'd, that's the whole problem".

That's not a true statement. You're going to tell me that not one pedophile has ever been disfellowshipped? I know for a fact that this is false as I have seen first-hand not only that a pedophile was disfellowshipped, but also turned into the police.

The reason the Society did not provide examples of these cases is because this is confidential and within the congregations. It's not for the whole world to know about . They don't need the approval of the world nor the media.

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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

by Dogpatch in

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friends

from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

SwordOfJah

DJ:

THAT is the problem. How often does a child have two witnesses to their molestation? Do you think it is wise to just believe the perp over the child?

This IS true. I do agree that it is very hard. But I also know that there are interrogation techniques that can help the elders know who is lieing. I DO acknowledge that some elders do not know how to interrogate someone or maybe don't know how to ask the right questions. In a case where it's the accused word against a child, who is lieing? I've personally witnessed both sides of this question.

One case in the 80's had five teenage girls accusing one brother of molesting them. Their exact words were that "he had tried to kiss them" and "touch them in their private parts". According to their testimony, he had done so in a period of three years. A judicial committee was formed. He denied the charges. But it was five victims against his word. He was disfellowshipped. He appealed but he was still disfellowshipped. He wrote to the Society but the Society said there was enough proof against the brother based on the testimony of five girls. I personally wanted this guy in jail. I was really pissed because his wife stood by him all the time despite the testimony of these five young sisters.

Two years later, the brother was still disfellowshipped. One of the original five girls confesses to her parents that she has a dirty conscience because she lied about what the brother had done to her. The parents immediately contact the elders. The elders meet with three of the five girls (two had since the case moved out of the congregation). Seeing that one had already confessed, all three say that they lied. They said that the brother had never attempted to touch them as they had described. They contacted the other two girls that had moved out, but they did not want to meet with the elders. Instead, they sent a signed letter stating that the accusations had all been false and that the brother had never molested them. Why did they lie to the elders about this brother? According to them, they wanted to get back at the brother for getting two of them in trouble with their parents. He had seen them with worldy boys and had told on them to the parents.

In another case, a brother confessed to the elders that he had sexually abused his young blood sister. He confessed after an elder had given a tough talk about "hidden sins" affecting the congregation. A judicial committee was formed. He was disfellowshipped. After calling the Legal Department, he was turned into the authorities within 24 hours. He went to prison.

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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

SwordOfJah

Ruby: You base your beliefs on what those two idiots did? I know you can't judge 6 millions Witnesses based on the actions of two ex-elders.

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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

SwordOfJah

DJ: We do handle child abuse cases judicially, so these are not running around free as you state. They ARE disfellowshipped from their Witness environment. I think the problem is with those cases that are not as clear and cannot be proven. The difference with the Catholic problem is very simple. Catholic priests were transferred to other churches were they were still serving as priests were they would again abuse children. In somes cases, I believe the transferring was done several times. The abuse obviously being covered up by church officials. The JW problem is not that way. Someone that is accused of child abuse is not transferred to another congregation, no, they face a judicial committee. If found guilty, they are difellowshipped. As many disfellowshipped here know, this is awful, were not even their family members has contact with them in many cases. The issue with many victims is wether the crime was reported to the authorities or not.

144 Thousand: There must be a way to see those statements. I don't know, but aren't these shown at the annual meeting?

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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

SwordOfJah

Lying eyes: I agree that the "victims" need help, but how can we help if the "victim" is filing suits against us? The "victims" are entitled help but they're not entitled to the donations that we donate towards the preaching work! If the lowlife that abused the "victim" is in prison, shouldn't that be enough instead of trying to screw 6 million witnesses out of their donations?

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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

SwordOfJah

Ruby: No really, you're not very open minded if you really believe your own words. The donations are carefully spent on the world wide work. The congregations in the U.S. can afford a payment on their Kingdom Halls, for example, but 75% of the countries around the world would not be able to build Kingdom Halls without the help of the U.S. branch. Also, you think publishing the amount of literature the Watchtower does yearly is cheap? The accusation that they're greedy is really absurd!

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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

SwordOfJah

How about defending themselves from fat greedy "victims"?

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The Watchtowers Investments in Warfare Technology

by l3gi0n in

this cant really be true, can it?

the papers could have been filed by someone trying to defame the wt.

i know they are not as clean as they want us to belive, but this is just to much.

SwordOfJah

Thanks Gerard for that info. I'm going to have to write to the Society asking why they haven't sold those shares if they own them. Honestly, holding on to shares for 16 years doesn't make any sense because they could have gone up or down. If they would have gone down, then the donation would have been lost. So I would have sold them right away and taken the profit. I'll write specifically to a bethelite that would know about this.

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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

SwordOfJah

I agree, everyone has a right to defend themselves. However, would you not agree that if Caesar has found Berry guilty, that the honest thing to do is help the victims? Using resources to oppose the "right thing to do" demonstrates the WT true priorities in this matter.

What? Help the victims with money? Is that going to make everything better, will that erase their memories? Fine the lowlife was found guilty. The point is the Watchtower is being FORCED to use their resources in defending itself against these "victims" that are out to make themselves rich!

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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

from silentlambs (bill bowen):.

on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.

in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.

SwordOfJah

He's just baiting you. Don't waste your energy or breath on him (or her).

O.k. so now I can't say a thing, because whatever I say you take it as baiting? Come on, give me a break here!