Just a follow-up here... The whole reference I gave above (the three paragraphs) comes from this archive. The paragraphs can be found on pages 689 and 690.
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Saename
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Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"
by Sanchy invideo is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".
warning: your head might explode.
especially past the 5:30 mark.
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Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"
by Sanchy invideo is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".
warning: your head might explode.
especially past the 5:30 mark.
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Saename
The quote seems to be accurate. I found something extra: 1910 Watchtower.
It's from a book by Edmond C. Gruss, Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Claims, Doctrinal Changes and Prophetic Speculation. What Does the Record Show? The book seems to discuss claims made by the Watchtower such as this one, amongst many others.
After 5 minutes . . .
Yeah, I found the whole reference.
If the six volumes of SCRIPTURE STUDIES are practically the Bible topically arranged, with Bible proof-texts given, we might not improperly name the volumes-- the Bible in an arranged form. That is to say, they are not merely comments on the Bible, but they are practically the Bible itself, since there is no desire to build any doctrine or thought on any individual preference or on any individual wisdom, but to present the entire matter on the lines of the Word of God. We therefore think it safe to follow this kind of reading, this kind of instruction, this kind of Bible study
Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the Divine Plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the SCRIPTURE STUDIES aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years --if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the SCRIPTURE STUDIES with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures.
Our thought, therefore, is that these SCRIPTURE STUDIES are a great assistance, a very valuable help, in the understanding of God's Word. If these books are to be of any value to us it must be because we see in them loyalty to the Word of God, and as far as our judgment goes, see them to be in full harmony with the Word and not antagonistic to it. Therefore, in reading them the first time, and perhaps the second time, and before we would accept anything as being our own personal faith and conviction, we should say, "I will not take it because these studies say so; I wish to see what the Bible says." And so we would study the Scriptures in the light of these SCRIPTURE STUDIES; we would prove every point, or disprove it, as the case might be. We would be satisfied with nothing less than a thorough investigation of the Bible from this standpoint.
To my understanding, the message Charles gives in the above is contradictory. He says that the Watchtower is the Bible itself because if God had any further message to give to his people, he would do so through another medium—such as the Watchtower, according to Charles's implication. However, he also says that the Scripture Studies are "a very valuable help in the understanding of God's Word." I think he is implying the same thing the Watchtower does today—namely that the Watchtower gives the same message as the Bible, so, even though you are encouraged to read the Bible as well, you should go along with the Watchtower's interpretation.
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Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"
by Sanchy invideo is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".
warning: your head might explode.
especially past the 5:30 mark.
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Saename
Hell, they wouldn't want us to reason the New Testament historically...
Gayle - Flodin refers to a copy received by apostate source, of a WT copy about Russell's writings as "truth," and not needing the Bible. He says it was a manipulated copy done by apostates.
Do any of you have that reference that he says is a lie?
He seems to be referencing September 15, 1910, Watchtower. It says,
If the 6 volumes of 'Scripture Studies' are practically the Bible topically arranged, with Bible proof-texts given, we might not improperly name the volumes- 'The Bible' in an arranged form. That is to say, they are not merely comments on the Bible, but they are practically the Bible itself. . . . Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible itself, but we see also that if anyone lays the 'Scripture Studies' . . . after ha has read them for 10 years—if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone . . . our experience shows that within 2 years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he has merely read the 'S.S.' with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years.
I found that quote pretty easily. I literally just googled "1910 Watchtower," and that was one of the first results. Here is the website I found that addresses this: 1910 Watchtower. I am not sure whether it is an accurate quote because there are ellipses in it, so I do not know what is missing from the quote. Neither do I know, however, how to access Watchtowers from that long ago. Nevertheless, I'm guessing that if you googled enough you would find a photocopy of the original magazine.
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They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book
by pale.emperor in"they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.
"all of our publications are open to everyone.
we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".
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Saename
Poztate - It is not apostate in the least
Yeah, I know. I meant it sarcastically. It's just that I forgot to put the word 'apostate' in quotation marks to imply a sarcastic, not literal, meaning of the word 'apostate.'
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They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book
by pale.emperor in"they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.
"all of our publications are open to everyone.
we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".
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Saename
Oh, pale.emperor, you too! You guys...!
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They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book
by pale.emperor in"they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.
"all of our publications are open to everyone.
we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".
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Saename
I'm way too smart for those tricks... I can see right through you... I know your nickname stands for 'apostate' and not just 'Poztate.' I ain't gonna trust no evil apostate!
But seriously―thanks, OrphanCrow and [a]Po[s]tate. It'll be an enjoyable read.
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Mark Sanderson wears an Apple Watch at regional convention
by Edison Trent inlast weekend was regional convention and mark sanderson was the bethel speaker for the last talks every day.
his talks were video streamed from zurich to other cities in switzerland, austria and germany.
one interesting point was that he wore an apple watch, stainless steel edition (link).
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Saename
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that if a 'normal' JW told the whole congregation that he or she is saving money for an Apple Watch, this JW would―and I have no doubt about that―have to meet with an elder or two to discuss his or her spirituality. Keep in mind one of the children's videos in which the Governing Body encouraged kids to donate instead of saving for ice creams―and we're talking about ice creams here...
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Mark Sanderson wears an Apple Watch at regional convention
by Edison Trent inlast weekend was regional convention and mark sanderson was the bethel speaker for the last talks every day.
his talks were video streamed from zurich to other cities in switzerland, austria and germany.
one interesting point was that he wore an apple watch, stainless steel edition (link).
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Saename
fulano - Now they cant wear a 700$ watch?? Jesus.
I think there was/were times when the Governing Body asked JWs to donate their own valuables, such as watches, necklaces, etc., which is why that could be considered a problem by some. Additionally, in many congregations, especially buying an Apple watch could be considered a sign of weak spirituality. I myself know JWs who would react in this way to seeing that somebody is saving money just to buy an Apple watch. Another problem is that Governing Body members live off donations as far as I know. There's no way telling what happens to that money―or even to the money that comes from sales of Kingdom Halls. On a further note, the Governing Body members always keep themselves occupied by telling JWs how imminent the end is. One could very well wonder, "Why does he have an Apple watch if the end is 'just around the corner'?"
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Mark Sanderson wears an Apple Watch at regional convention
by Edison Trent inlast weekend was regional convention and mark sanderson was the bethel speaker for the last talks every day.
his talks were video streamed from zurich to other cities in switzerland, austria and germany.
one interesting point was that he wore an apple watch, stainless steel edition (link).
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Saename
Who is he? Though a Witness, I've never heard of him.
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They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book
by pale.emperor in"they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.
"all of our publications are open to everyone.
we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".
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Saename
How can I gain access to this book? I assume that one has to download it from an apostate source since I don't think it's available on any of JW apps/programs. I believe it's time for me to read it. I've been wondering what sort of 'teachings' are included in this publication.