Posts by Saename

88

After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

by quincemyles in

after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

Saename

Am I the only one here who realises that the gospels are not historically reliable...?

88

After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

by quincemyles in

after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

Saename

quincemyles - First century Greek and Hebrew Historians wrote that he rose up appearing to more than 500 humans.

Are you talking about the gospels?

Witness My Fury - What about the zombies in jerusalem where they real too?

Haha! I know what you did here... That's a reference to the movie World War Z!!!!!

88

After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

by quincemyles in

after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

Saename

As I previously said, quincemyles is some crackpot who has no idea what s/he is talking about. It's been proven just now. (I mean... Jesus levitating into the sky is not fiction...?)

88

After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

by quincemyles in

after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

Saename

never a jw - Quite likely developed during the Persian or Greek periods

In 330 BCE, Alexander the Great conquered Persia. Then, it was really like domino. The evolution of the concept of ha'satan into the concept of Satan continued until the Maccabean revolt. The evolution of the apocalyptic view played a big role.

88

After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

by quincemyles in

after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

Saename

1) The accuser (Satan) walked in the land of Uz. Job 1:1,7.

Hell no. Job 1.1–7 talks about Job. Job was in the land of Uz. Then, the book of Job 1.8 explicitly says that "the sons of God came to present themselves before [Yahweh], and [the adversary] also came among them." In this context, the adversary was clearly an angel because he presented himself before Yahweh.

3) The accusing person attended some kind of court sessions in which matters concerning others were presented before a representative of God. Job 1:6. Exodus 18:19.

The accusing person was directly presented before God, not before a representative of God. Therefore, this court was most likely in heaven.

4) What befell Job was done by God himself, rather than the one who brought the accusations against Job. Job 1:11, 21; 2:5; 42:10.

You're misrepresenting the situation. In verse 11 the adversary does say to Yahweh to stretch out his hand. However, if you read on to verse 12, Yahweh then says to the adversary that it is in the power of this very adversary to harm Job. Therefore, it was the adversary who harmed Job.

Because the adversary presented himself directly before God, it was most likely an angel.

You need to do more accurate studies of ancient Judaism. It's clear that you're just some crackpot who has no idea what s/he's talking about.

88

After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

by quincemyles in

after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

Saename

This is actually the first time I hear someone claim that Jesus was tempted not by Satan but by a man—a Pharisee. I've never heard that before. Anyway, according to the Christian tradition, it was Satan. I don't see a valid reason to dispute that.

8

Ask An Elder

by BeeEmBee in

ok, 4 questions sprang to mind in light of the recent elders letter.. if you get to the kingdom hall and its on fire, brother a says he saw brother b set it ablaze purposely, .

who do you call first and why?

if you get to the kingdom hall and the sound system has been stolen, sister a says she saw brother b loading it onto his van,.

Saename

In the first two scenarios, I presume the authorities would be informed because damage would have been done to the Watchtower itself and its property (the Kingdom Hall.) They would likely call the Legal Department before that, but the issue would be reported to the authorities right after.

In the third scenario, they would call the Legal Department to inquire what the law in their area requires. (Sounds ridiculous, but elders are idiots who don't understand anything, so they need to be told everything by the Watchtower.)

In the fourth scenario... you know the procedure. Legal Department, no authorities, innocent victims victimized, abuser protected or disfellowshipped (read: still protected) unless the investigation bears no results, in which case the matter would be left "in Jehovah's hands." (Keep in mind that when the letter mentions the two-witness rule, it says that if there is only one witness, the Legal Department should be called. What happens later, we don't know. The matter is probably left "in Jehovah's hands" as well. I don't think they would investigate when there are no two witnesses. After all, elders are usually idiots who are unable to think and have to be told everything by the Watchtower [see the Australian Royal Commission for irrefutable proof.])

In other words, hypocrisy...

19

Pioneer afraid to meet with elders commits suicide

by poopie in

jw
friends

they were afraid he would be df for something they did do instead of faceing possibility of being shunned commited suicide.

Saename

Someone you know or was it in the news?

49

New Monthly Broadcast - BE LOYAL! - Shut Up and Sit Down!

by ttdtt in

the new broadcast is - predictably - about being loyal to the gb.it's a shut up and sit down message.. one of the funny things they keep bringing up is the correlation between the gb and moses.those who don't listen to the gb are like korah.. this is a false choice, why?let's look at a quick comparison.

(this is from the point of view of the bible).

was moses directly picked by god?- yeswas the gb directly picked by god?- well no, we actually are not told how the gb are picked and why the qualify.. did god talk to moses?- yesdoes god talk to the gb- no, they admit they are not in direct communication.. did god inspire moses to write laws and judge.- yesdoes god inspire the gb to write laws and judge.- no, they admit they are not inspired, and they are always wrong and need to change things all the time.. did god give the israelites undisputable proof that moses is his channel?- yes, many miracles visible to everyone one around happenddoes god give jws undisputable proof that the gb are his channel?- no, there is no proof, actually contrary.. was moses ever wrong?- nohas the gb ever been wrong?- every time.

Saename

DATA-DOG - For the most part, the Bible is chocked full of examples where the people sinned by following example of a bad leader.

Good point. I noticed that at judicial meetings, the elders often ask, "Do you still believe the Governing Body is God's only channel of communication?" When you say, "No," and then give reasons for it—such as the issue of child sexual abuse—they tell you, "Then wait for God. Don't you believe that He has control over his organisation? Don't you believe that He will correct the Governing Body one day [they mean: soon]?"

I guess they haven't read the Old Testament. According to the thinking of the Old Testament, if you accepted your leader's direction which you knew to be wrong and waited for God instead to correct the leader, you would be killed along with your bad leader. Most likely, you would still be killed even if you did not know that your leader was wrong.

By the way, isn't that a proof that the Governing Body is more interested in following them than following God? (Not that I believe in God anyway...)

16

Got the personal invite to the D.C

by Phizzy in

a nice jw old boy knocked the door and asked me how i was, said they were giving out invites, i refrained from mocking him for the total waste of time such "work" is.. he mentioned that " we don't know when the end will come" , so i just said i was sure my new grandson would grow up, go to university, get a good job and his kids would do the same, by which time i shall be long gone.. "you are sure of that ?

" asked the jw, "oh yes", i replied.. i know we cannot be sure of anything, except death and taxes, but there is loads of evidence that my scenario may well play out, there is no single shred of evidence for an "end to the system" as envisaged by jw's, their weird view coming from a totally discredited source, the bible and mainly its final book, what nonsense..

Saename

steve2, I couldn't agree more.