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  Evolution is a Fact - Index of Parts 1 - 40

  by cofty in

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  #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

  #2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

  #3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

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  Saename

  Bad_Wolf: Therefore, God did it, eh?

  That's just one big argument from personal incredulity.
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  I met a 104 year old man today

  by Bad_Wolf in

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  i was at a mall trying on shoes and this old man is in a wheelchair near me.

  says how he thought those shoes were sharp and he had never worn brown shoes before and that he is 104 years old.

  i said no way and asked what year he was born.

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  smiddy - He was resurrected to life ,so by all accounts he should be free of the Adamic sin that condemned all of humanity to death so he should still be alive walking around among us right ?

  Nope. That's not how (any) Christians understand it. Jesus' sacrifice took place after Lazarus' death and resurrection, so he wouldn't be free of the Adamic sin.

  However, there were people who were resurrected after Jesus' sacrifice by his apostles. According to this... I suppose loophole, then, they would be free of the Adamic sin.
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  I met a 104 year old man today

  by Bad_Wolf in

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  i was at a mall trying on shoes and this old man is in a wheelchair near me.

  says how he thought those shoes were sharp and he had never worn brown shoes before and that he is 104 years old.

  i said no way and asked what year he was born.

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  Saename

  Don't JWs teach that this generation who saw the events of 1914 had to be baptized in 1914 or before? If so, they would have to be born at least around 1904. If such is the case... they're already dead (most likely.)
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  The coordinator of cong visited me last night

  by Chook in

  1. jw
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  he ran into me a work and asked could he come , i said only if you're by yourself and don't wear company garb.

  3 hours later and i might as well talked to myself.

  i used every illustration and persuasive argument.

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  Saename

  OUTLAW - The WBT$ needs to offer the JW`s something, they can`t pay them any less.

  Sure, but they can double the pay... 0 x 2 is still 0.
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  Evolution is a Fact - Index of Parts 1 - 40

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

  #2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

  #3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

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  Saename

  Do you remember maybe where you and Tenacious had this conversation on evolution?
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  Evolution is a Fact - Index of Parts 1 - 40

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

  #2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

  #3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

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  Saename

  slimboyfat, are you a proponent of epistemological relativism? This is a vibe I'm getting, especially since cofty's comment that you would not even say that the earth is not flat because it is from the worm's point of view.

  If you're not a proponent of this view, how would you specifically define a fact?
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  Evolution is a Fact - Index of Parts 1 - 40

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

  #2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

  #3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

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  Saename

  It's possible that I'm a brain in a vat, and that none of you exist but are the product of my imagination. Should this mean that nothing I know is actually a fact?

  Similarly, all life on earth shares a common ancestor, and as far as we know, it's a fact. It's possible we're wrong, obviously, but there's no evidence to suggest that.
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  Evolution is a Fact - Index of Parts 1 - 40

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

  #2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

  #3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

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  Saename

  Whether he is contradicting himself is beyond the point. It's irrelevant. What's relevant is that you're lying by misquoting him. (And I literally—in the literal sense of "literally"—almost never accuse others of lying... It's extremely rare for me to do that.) He did say that any detailed account of evolution of any biochemical or cellular system is wishful speculation, but in the next sentence he says that such an account is yet to be discovered—that it will be discovered. You're quoting him to imply that it's a fault of evolution, but that's not what he meant at all.

  (And he also said that we must reject intelligent design, which is a vital part of this quote...)
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  Evolution is a Fact - Index of Parts 1 - 40

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  #1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

  #2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

  #3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

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  Nimble duck - Evolutionary biochemist Franklin Harold wrote, “we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations.”

  And right before that he said that we must reject intelligent design... I wonder how it is that you missed that part? It's from his book The Way of the Cell. When he said that, he didn't mean to imply that evolution is false or anything of the sort. He simply meant that there is still room for discovery. In fact, the very next sentence reads, "There is room for discovery here."

  I love misquotes. Those are the easiest to discredit...
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  Doing your own research

  by Reazon22 in

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  we all know watchtower doesn't encourage their members do research for themselves.

  can anyone point out any articles where it mentions this?

  any help would be appreciated.

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  Saename

  The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom dated 1987, Nov. 1, entitled, “Does Superstition Affect Your Life?” on page 20, paragraph 16 of this magazine says the following:

  Interestingly, a circuit overseer in France observes: ‘Some brothers are deceived because they lack accurate knowledge.’ That is why Proverbs 11:9 states: ‘By knowledge are the righteous rescued.’ This does not mean giving apostates a hearing ear or delving into their writings. Rather, it means coming to ‘an accurate knowledge of the sacred secret of God’ through diligent personal study of the Bible and the Society’s Bible-based publications.Having this accurate knowledge, who would become so curious as to pay any attention to apostate mouthings? May no man ‘delude you with persuasive arguments’! (Colossians 2:2-4) False religious propaganda from any source should be avoided like poison! Really, since our Lord has used ‘the faithful and discreet slave’ to convey to us ‘sayings of everlasting life,’ why should we ever want to look anywhere else?—John 6:68.

  Here is a quote from The Watchtower—Study Edition dated 2012, May 15, ¶13, entitled, “Are You Reflecting the Glory of Jehovah?”:

  Jehovah hates sin, and so should we. Indeed, we ought to move as far away from wrongdoing as possible and not see how close we can get to it without being overcome by sin. For instance, we need to guard against succumbing to apostasy, a sin that would make us unfit to glorify God. (Deut. 13:6–9) Let us therefore have nothing to do with apostates or anyone who claims to be a brother but who is dishonoring God. This should be the case even if he is a family member. (1 Cor. 5:11) We are not benefited by trying to refute the arguments of apostates or those who are critical of Jehovah’s organization. In fact, it is spiritually dangerous and improper to peruse their information, whether it appears in written form or it is found on the Internet.

  Oh, just in case you want more proof... Comin’ right up!

  w11 7/15 15-17

  w08 3/15

  w06 1/15 23

  w04 2/15 28

  w00 5/1 9-10

  Also, you can use their own library against them. Under this link, you can find 29 articles, under the entries "attitude of Witnesses toward apostates" and "avoiding apostasy," discouraging Witnesses from viewing apostate sources.