If the Watchtower, and contemporaneous religious movements, had grass-roots origins, I wouldn't think anything of it. But that wasn't the case. If there was elitist involvement at the inception of the Watchtower, there is likely still elitist involvement.
NoStonecutters
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Watchtower using MK Ultra/Monarch programming?
by NoStonecutters ini have always wondered if the watchtower, being a major player in the brainwashing industry, is part of or incorporates mk ultra programming.. for those not familiar with it, project mk ultra was an illegal cia mind control program that apparently still exists unofficially through monarch butterfly programming.
childern are often the victims of this program, as social engineers and psychological operators found that sexually and physically abusing children produced traits beneficial to the intelligence community, like photographic memory and amnesia (good for carriers of secrets and sensitive information).
monarch programming also produces candidates for manchurian operations.. anyways, it seems that the cia could definitely benefit by using the watchtower to carry out some of this programming, as the structure of the watchtower kingdom halls makes it easy for predators to abuse kids with impunity.. i did a search on this forum and found at least one person who claims to have been a victim of this, if i am reading correctly.
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Farts - Blasting the Chair at the KH
by Simon Morley indid you try to hold your farts during a meeting or let the slip out?
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i let them go (quitely) and did not give a hell about the reaction..
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Similarities between Roman Catholics and Jehovah`s Witnesses
by smiddy inboth claim to be the sole path to god (or did at some point ).
both claim to reach back to first century christians ,( though jw`s are a bit ambiguous about this).
the r.c church has a pope , the j.w.`s have a governing body ,both providing spiritual food to the faithful.
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NoStonecutters
Perhaps, Pterist, but isn't it rather telling that the very reasoning the Catholic Church gave for necessity of the priesthood was shown to be justified during the bloody Protestant/Communist rebellions in Czech and Germany? Not to mention the plethora of sects and cults with their own private interpretations, like the Jehovah's Witnesses....
"...Whenever the Bible is ripped out of conext, 'revolutionary ferment of extraordinary violence' erupts. Once the Church is removed as the arbiter of Scripture—once Scripture was no longer read according to what Augustine called 'the spirit'—it gets read, as Augustine warned, according to 'the flesh,' the way the Jews read it, as a prescription for establishing heaven on earth and, ultimately, a front for appetite. The Gospel becomes 'carnal' when seperated from the Church; it becomes a justification for violations of chastity or of the prohibition against usury. It becomes, as Nietzsche claimed, a front for the will to power." —E. Michael Jones, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History, Fidelity Press, Indiana, 2008, pg. 329-330 -
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Watchtower Real Estate Fire Sale = Comfort for the Jews?
by Calebs Airplane inhas anyone noticed that all the watchtower buildings in brooklyn are (so far) being sold to real estate investment companies owned and operated by orthodox jews?
seriously, i couldnt identify one single watchtower building in brooklyn that went to a non-jewish real estate firm.. is the rothschild family finally cashing in on the initial investment they made in the watchtower at the end of the 19th century?
i have to wonder if they foresee a collapse or mass exodus in the near future and want to cash in their chips before these lose any more value..
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Partially, stapler, but there is plenty of evidence of Zionist collusion with Russell and the early Watchtower. Then there is the speculation that Russell himself was Jewish. When the exiled Marranos (crypto-Jews) from Spain came to England, the Roesels (variant spellings) became prominent after plundering the Church's wealth under Henry VIII. English Reformation families like the Roesels were also heavily involved in England's new religion at the time: Freemasonry, thanks to cultural saboteurs like John Dee.
If Charles Taze Russell was a crypto-Jew, was his Watchtower creation his own way—and the B'nai Brith's—of usurping Catholic hegemony in America?
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Watchtower Real Estate Fire Sale = Comfort for the Jews?
by Calebs Airplane inhas anyone noticed that all the watchtower buildings in brooklyn are (so far) being sold to real estate investment companies owned and operated by orthodox jews?
seriously, i couldnt identify one single watchtower building in brooklyn that went to a non-jewish real estate firm.. is the rothschild family finally cashing in on the initial investment they made in the watchtower at the end of the 19th century?
i have to wonder if they foresee a collapse or mass exodus in the near future and want to cash in their chips before these lose any more value..
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DUMB PEOPLE USE LESS RESOURCES! NWO
by clarity indon't know what happened there!!!!!!.
>start again ................ >.
the fact that wbts is progressively dumbing down it's followers.
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NoStonecutters
Clarity, if it makes you feel any better, the dumbing down process (cultural decline) is happening on a global scale. It's part of the Elite's endgame scenario. And, yes, Agenda 21 is very real and very Malthusian. It's all about dominating others and drastically reducing the world population.
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Yes, for good reason appellation Father is dominant in the NT over Jehovah
by QC inthe purpose of the christian era is to moves descendent of adam into the family of jesus, the "last adam eternal father.
" 1co 15:45; isa 9:6 so, the christian order is familial, it is about jesus' family pleasing the father.. .
this is why jesus is the center piece of the nt greek text.
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Phizzy said:
"The point of particular note is that the NWT inserts "Jehovah" with little warrant in the cases were writers quote from the Septuagint, and no warrant whatsoever elsewhere, if they actually believed they would have been too fearful to put it 11 times in Revelation, with Rev.containing explicit instruction not to add to it !
Why does the NWT do this ? it is to hide and obfuscate the obvious references to the divinity of Christ."
Exactly, Phizzy. And not only that, even if you discard the Septuagint, the Masoretic text is unreliable. The Masoretes were Talmudists. If the insertion of the Kabbalist tetragrammaton was unwarranted, so it was when they attempted to pervert the prophecy of a virgin conceiving. Additionally, the Septuagint predates the Masoretes.
Consider this: the tetragrammaton is central to Masonic rites; whereas, the name of Jesus is forbidden to be uttered in Masonic lodges.
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Watchtower Real Estate Fire Sale = Comfort for the Jews?
by Calebs Airplane inhas anyone noticed that all the watchtower buildings in brooklyn are (so far) being sold to real estate investment companies owned and operated by orthodox jews?
seriously, i couldnt identify one single watchtower building in brooklyn that went to a non-jewish real estate firm.. is the rothschild family finally cashing in on the initial investment they made in the watchtower at the end of the 19th century?
i have to wonder if they foresee a collapse or mass exodus in the near future and want to cash in their chips before these lose any more value..
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NoStonecutters
Interesting. So not only has the Watchtower carried out its mind control sessions in Masonic Lodges, it has also carried them out in synagogues. This gets better and better!
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Do you call your father by his legal name? Should we for God?
by trujw injw's make much of calling god jehovah as if somehow this makes them better than us.
do we call our mother's by their legal name?
if you do or do not does that make the other less a son or daughter of god?.
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Satanus, I want to make two points in response to you.
Firstly, the Christian worship of Jesus is by no means occultic. Christians don't require any secret knowledge or powers by which to attain salvation. Everything is out in the open and free to all.
Secondly, the purpose of magic is to elevate man to the status of the divine (God) by acquiring the ability to manipulate nature. Christianity teaches that only God has the rightful ability to do this. Magic and Christianity couldn't be more opposed to each other. Magic is monistic; Christianity is dualistic.
Satanus, traditional Catholics don't follow Second Vatican Council policies (1968) let alone the New Jerusalem Bible (1985). I would argue that it is as insignificant as the modern New Age Bibles, like the NIV and NASB.
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Do you call your father by his legal name? Should we for God?
by trujw injw's make much of calling god jehovah as if somehow this makes them better than us.
do we call our mother's by their legal name?
if you do or do not does that make the other less a son or daughter of god?.
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Satanus, Christians aren't using magic, especially not through the tetragrammaton. The tetragrammaton has little significance in the Church and is forbidden in the Divine Liturgy as well as in most hymns. Using the tetragrammaton tends to render the Gospels null and void and can only be considered a form of Judaizing.
