Posts by Spoletta

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

This is what is happening with the MSM. Their reputations are being sacrificed for short-term political agendas and convenience by people who really don't give a rats-ass about truth.

I could say the same about many conservative news media, but that's neither here nor there. I'm only asking if you believe there is any source that can be trusted to present only the facts, with little or no spin. Why should I accept conservative sources, when those I put forward are treated with scorn and insults.

If those moderates and conservatives are unwilling to debate based on unbiased reporting, I can only assume that they feel this would put them at a disadvantage, which (to my my way of thinking) would be very telling.

So, how about it, you seekers of truth, justice, and the American way?

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

Yes, Fox News is similar for the right. If Fox News is bad journalism then the left doing it is bad too.

The debates here seem dictated by which media the liberals, moderates and conservatives seem to be relying on to confirm their biases.

Part of it boils down to the definition of what constitutes "fake" news. Is it publishing outright lies, or unconfirmed stories, unnamed sources, or just putting a biased spin on the news?

Simon, I recall you listing a number of news sources that you seem to consider fairly bi-partisan. I also wonder if FMF and other moderate or conservative commenters here have sources they rely on that could be considered bi-partisan.

I will make a pledge to use only those sources to comment on this whole subject of any wrongdoing by Trump and his administration.I will also refuse to engage in any debate that relies on information from any other source. Anything other than those sources will be considered "fake" news.

If you can't agree on any bi-partisan sources, then I posit that you are admitting that there are are none, in which case I have every right to consider any sources you quote as being "fake" or dishonest.

This seems reasonable to me, any thoughts on it?

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

Spoletta, I won't apologize for being patriotic about the certain things.

You realize that your rant had absolutely nothing to do with the question I asked you.

Do you believe that there should be no thorough investigation until an American is killed?

By the way, thanks for your service to our country.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

Bad news and inconvenient facts usually come from the opposition side don't they.

An inconvenient fact is still a fact, something the right is very reluctant to admit.

Like BOHM and Spoletta

I'm flattered that you associate me with Bohm, whose reasoning and command of facts cuts through your deflection and insults like a knife through butter, whether you recognize it or not. I notice that the weaker your argument, the stronger your name calling.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

FMF

I'm flattered that you associate me with Bohm, someone whose intellect and reasoning I can only hope to approach on a good day. But you never answered my question in your patriotic diatribe. Is your criteria for investigating Trump based on whether an American is killed because of his actions?

If I'm not mistaken, that was your barometer for the seriousness of the need for a thorough investigation.

Just wondering.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

Spoletta, I won't apologize for being patriotic about the certain things.

You realize that your rant had absolutely nothing to do with my question.

Do you believe that there should be no thorough investigation of the Trump administration until an American is killed? Is that your criteria?

By the way, thanks for your service to our country. Whatever it might have been.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

bohm: you are now forbidden from copying and pasting anything from any liberal source.

I think the subject is copying and pasting without attribution. If someone can't take the time to put an idea into their own words, then we shouldn't waste our time listening to them. If I want a parrot, I'll go to a pet shop.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

You fool, you do realize people, Americans, died during Benghazi right?

So as long as no Americans die, we don't need to investigate collusion by Trump's campaign in the election, Flynn's lies, Manafort's millions, asking for loyalty, blurting out highly classified info, asking Comey to leave Flynn alone, and numerous other gaffes.

I'm not saying any of this is true. I'm just saying the possibility that there is some truth to these coincidences and "fake" news surely merits a decent investigation.

So according to you, this isn't important till an American is killed. An interesting viewpoint.

Oh, wait... Wasn't that young girl killed in Trump's mission to get information on ISIS an American citizen? You know, the mission that he ordered while at dinner. I guess she wasn't the right kind of American.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

What actions specifically?

If the Republicans would put as much effort into this investigation as they did Bengazi, we might know. There were 44 staffers involved in the Senate investigation of Clinton versus 7 for Trump/Russia.

Chaffetz is only pursuing the investigation because it's no longer a liability to his immediate career.

I'm not saying the allegations are true, I'm saying that the effort to uncover the truth has been feeble at best, and when there seems to be some headway, things happen that slow down the investigation.

I may be partisan, but aside from some lip service criticism of Trump by the right-leaners, I certainly believe your comments prove you as partisan as any here. I'm just willing to admit that I am.

If, and I am saying if, half the allegations about Trump prove to be true, I'm sure you'll come up with some word salad to prove that you were totally bi-partisan, not favoring either side, only railing at the"fake"news from the MSM.

We shall see.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

I will discuss individuals based on their character, and issues individually, not get into "sides".

If parroting the idea of MSM as "fake news" and minimizing the damage that Trump has done by shooting off his mouth, while at the same time castigating the Democrats for pursuing legitimate concerns about our nation's security is not taking "sides", then I wonder what is?

I think that a careful search of all your posts pertaining to Trump will show a definite bias in his, and the GOP's favor, whether you admit it or not.

"If it walks like a duck..."