Posts by Spoletta

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Trump pulls out of Paris Agreement -

by AFRIKANMAN in

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would like to see your responses ~.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2017/jun/01/donald-trump-paris-climate-agreement-live-news.

kapitan kovfefe is a man of his word - well ...twisted word ~ .

Spoletta

Once again, Trump pokes the rest of the world in the eye as America retreats into isolationist mode. Any history buff here can tell you how well it worked in the past.

As they become less dependent on fossil fuels, the rest of the world will thumb their noses at America, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and other oil producers. If anything, this will spur China and other forward thinking countries into improving clean energy technology, which they will share with us, if we can afford to pay what they'll charge for it.

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IDEA "new business

by James Mixon in

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after seeing tiger woods mug shot the idea hit me, a makeup artist for the famous and rich...i have never seen a mug shot of someone who didn't look like, well you know..weekends you camp out around the police station and charge 20-30 bucks to clean up arrestee(you the makeup artist) before taking their mug shot..i'am sure tiger would have paid big bucks.

i have never taken a mug shot but why don't they offer the folks a mirror......of course you will need to make arrangement with the law but i think it's a good idea to make folks presentable.

i'am sure some folks are declared guilty by just looking at their mug shot..

Spoletta

The most horrific celebrity mug shot I can recall was Nick Nolte's some years back.

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2017 Convention Video Remember The Wife Of Lot

by pale.emperor in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0qpoelk2r4.

the dad in this is a total douche.

i dont know if the videos have become more judgemental and culty in the year since i left - or maybe im just noticing it more?.

Spoletta

The son of a woman acquaintance of mine turned to his Mom at the conclusion of the video and said,"Did you notice? Every light fixture in the drama was from Ikea!"

At least he was paying attention.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

What I was saying is: there is no such thing.

Sadly, you may be right. So I'll keep on keeping on, with the hope that (as Trump would say), I'll be vindicated in the end.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

Simon.

I totally agree with you, I do make an effort to see both sides of the story, and find it's not difficult to discern the truth if you weigh the facts dispassionately. There are commentators on Fox that don't occupy the prime time slots, who are much less prejudiced in their viewpoints, unlike Hannity and Carlson, just as there are anchors on CNN that go for the "Big" story.

The question is, how do you deal with those who choose only to believe one side?

NPR is an excellent source for a fairly unbiased presentation of facts, yet I think you'll agree that it's constantly presented by some on the right as "liberal". Why is that so? It's my opinion that there's an intrinsic feeling by some conservatives that the plain unvarnished truth is not their friend. Again, that's just my opinion.

I've been wrong in this forum about some things that I picked up from my research, and I think you'll find that each time it was pointed out to me, I admitted it and apologized.

I've been a little snarky at times when someone has gotten under my skin, but have never called anyone the kind of names that I've been labeled by some individuals.

So, I would still welcome any suggestions of news sources that we can all trust (to some degree), and will try to limit my comments to examples that are trustworthy. This will include videos of statements, documents that are proven to exist, and named events and sources from intelligence agencies and the media that are accepted by the majority as being factual. That's the best I can do.

Thanks.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

This is what is happening with the MSM. Their reputations are being sacrificed for short-term political agendas and convenience by people who really don't give a rats-ass about truth.

I could say the same about many conservative news media, but that's neither here nor there. I'm only asking if you believe there is any source that can be trusted to present only the facts, with little or no spin. Why should I accept conservative sources, when those I put forward are treated with scorn and insults.

If those moderates and conservatives are unwilling to debate based on unbiased reporting, I can only assume that they feel this would put them at a disadvantage, which (to my my way of thinking) would be very telling.

So, how about it, you seekers of truth, justice, and the American way?

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

Yes, Fox News is similar for the right. If Fox News is bad journalism then the left doing it is bad too.

The debates here seem dictated by which media the liberals, moderates and conservatives seem to be relying on to confirm their biases.

Part of it boils down to the definition of what constitutes "fake" news. Is it publishing outright lies, or unconfirmed stories, unnamed sources, or just putting a biased spin on the news?

Simon, I recall you listing a number of news sources that you seem to consider fairly bi-partisan. I also wonder if FMF and other moderate or conservative commenters here have sources they rely on that could be considered bi-partisan.

I will make a pledge to use only those sources to comment on this whole subject of any wrongdoing by Trump and his administration.I will also refuse to engage in any debate that relies on information from any other source. Anything other than those sources will be considered "fake" news.

If you can't agree on any bi-partisan sources, then I posit that you are admitting that there are are none, in which case I have every right to consider any sources you quote as being "fake" or dishonest.

This seems reasonable to me, any thoughts on it?

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

Spoletta, I won't apologize for being patriotic about the certain things.

You realize that your rant had absolutely nothing to do with the question I asked you.

Do you believe that there should be no thorough investigation until an American is killed?

By the way, thanks for your service to our country.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

Bad news and inconvenient facts usually come from the opposition side don't they.

An inconvenient fact is still a fact, something the right is very reluctant to admit.

Like BOHM and Spoletta

I'm flattered that you associate me with Bohm, whose reasoning and command of facts cuts through your deflection and insults like a knife through butter, whether you recognize it or not. I notice that the weaker your argument, the stronger your name calling.

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Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

by Coded Logic in

washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

Spoletta

FMF

I'm flattered that you associate me with Bohm, someone whose intellect and reasoning I can only hope to approach on a good day. But you never answered my question in your patriotic diatribe. Is your criteria for investigating Trump based on whether an American is killed because of his actions?

If I'm not mistaken, that was your barometer for the seriousness of the need for a thorough investigation.

Just wondering.