Posts by Spoletta

191

Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

Spoletta

Incognigo Montoya.

The racists I'm talking about are the ones chanting "Jews will not replace us", and "blood and soil!" Much of the rhetoric here is a hairs breadth from those sentiments.

I've heard every point made here by white "victims", echoed in the speeches of white supremacists.

Despite all the fearmongering, the number of immigrants coming into the United States is hardly going to change our culture. In the early 20th century, there was a large influx of immigrants into this country. Do their descendants still speak Italian, Russian, Polish, Greek, and other languages, and follow only the customs of their ancestors? Did they overwhelm the cities and turn them all into foreign enclaves? They all assimilated into our country, and the changes they brought only enhanced our culture, not supplanted it.

No matter how you try to disguise it, the major theme here is one of white superiority. If your next door neighbor was exactly like you in every way, culturally, linguistically, IQ, finances, morals, etc. and was black or brown, you'd consider him your inferior, plain and simple.

Get over it, or the rest of your life will be full of anger and hate, because we ain't going back to the good old days, and you might as well get used to it.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

Spoletta

Well, paraphrasing what was said in a recent debate. I'm not calling you all racists. All I'm saying is that racists would think you were one of them.

121

What Are Your Rights?

by Simon in

jw
friends

rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

Spoletta

Finkelstein,

You are correct, but the naysayers here have convinced themselves that most of Scandinavia is headed toward certain doom, based on their research using only right wing, libertarian, free market, and capitalist websites.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

Spoletta

Just a quick comment to the majority of posters on this thread.

You talk as if history ended when Western civilization (or whites, as you imply) achieved supremacy. If the world becomes a little browner, as people migrate around the globe,why do you assume that your culture will disappear?

I have friends that are ethnic African, Chinese, Hispanic, etc. Their parents have accents and observe their native customs, but their kids are just as American as I am. They speak like I do, have the same interests, root for the same sports teams, and watch the same movies I do. Aren't they part of Western culture?

It's estimated that by 2045, whites will no longer be in the majority in the US. They will still be the largest minority. I suspect that they and the children of immigrants will be pretty much what they are today. Americans.

Do you have so little faith in your cultural identity, that you think it can't withstand exposure to other cultures. That doesn't reflect well on your faith in your superiority.

The solution is simple. Only marry other whites, and have large families. Try to convince your children to only marry other whites (good luck with that!).

The rest of us will enjoy life, and the incredible experiences, foods, traditions, handiwork, and people of this world.

I hope for their sake your children aren't as fearful of change as you are.

191

Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

Spoletta

Incognito Montoya

Where you misunderstand me is in thinking I'm defending the Native Americans or Black Israelites. Any sensible adult would have moved the kids away from potential trouble, even if the kids weren't responsible. Singing school songs was hardly an effective way to defuse the situation. I've chaperoned children, and your first responsibility is to get the children away from trouble. The chaperones were negligent in their duty, and bear some responsibility.

121

What Are Your Rights?

by Simon in

jw
friends

rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

Spoletta

Anony mous,

I guess the problem I'm having with these conversations, is the intense strawmanning going on.

No one here, including myself, has advocated a wholly socialist society, yet when democratic socialism is brought up, you ignore the democratic part, and simply point out the pitfalls of an all socialist society. Strawmanning at it's finest.

When we point out the many socialist institutions in the United States, your only answer is, "but those aren't really socialist!" By whose definition?

As far as your idea that it's fine for government to begin programs, and then hand them off to private industry, I'm great with that, as long as the industry pays back to the government all of the people's money that was spent establishing the infrastructure. Otherwise, there's nothing to stop them from using their own money to compete with the government programs. Isn't that how capitalism works?

Here's my summation of your arguments

1. Pure socialism doesn't work (We all agree).

2. Any socialist element in a capitalist society isn't socialist, because socialism doesn't work, and since that society works, those elements aren't socialist. (is that about right?)

3. Government is fine for getting things going, but private industry will manage things better. (sure, after all the hard work is done! I'll remember that when I ask someone to give me their business because I can run it better.)

I'll stick to empirical evidence rather than quasi-libertarian theory.

191

Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

Spoletta

redvip2000,

If MAGA hat kid was uncomfortable, all he had to do was step back. I watched the video by the way, and saw the kids whooping and doing the tomahawk chop. Did you?

I can tell you exactly what certain people would say if it had been a group of black or Hispanic kids confronting a white guy.

Also, where were the chaperones for these kids? At the first sign of trouble with the Black Israelites, I'd have hustled them out of there.

There was plenty of blame to go around, and the portrayal of these kids as victims is not accurate. They were just stupid high school kids with no supervision.

191

Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

Spoletta

With the declining white birthrate in the United States, and with conservatives trying to limit the influx of brown people, at least their pureblood children will have plenty of jobs working in the fields, and changing poopy Depends.

121

What Are Your Rights?

by Simon in

jw
friends

rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

Spoletta

Finklestein,

Thanks for your real world answer to the theories of capitalist libertarians.

Capitalism had it's chance at the turn of the 20th century, when factory workers were paid the bare minimum to work long hours, in terrible conditions. Libertarians say that workers had the right to go elsewhere, but who would choose to transfer from the Titanic to the Lusitania?

There was no elsewhere, and when workers dared to strike for better pay and conditions, they were met with violence and murder (coal miners, for example).

A fast food worker today, cannot provide health care, food, clothing, and housing on $7 to $8 an hour. To those who claim that this is a "training" wage, and will result in an experienced worker moving up the ladder to better pay, the average fast food worker is 29 years old, with 40% being over 24. How do you provide health care to people that cannot pay the premiums, but have no opportunity to find a job that will eoffer health care, or pay enough to afford it?

Ron Paul suggested that charities, churches, and families can take care of this. This was available to everyone at the turn of the 20th century, and yet tens of thousands died because there was more demand than supply.

When capitalism was combined with elements of socialism, life improved. It had no link to the largesse of industry.

Simon. You gave a list of things that you believe aren't socialism. Sorry, but a lot of conservatives would disagree with you. Nice try. You can't cherry pick programs that seem to work, and say that they can't be Socialist because they work.

When you can give examples of societies that succeeded for everyone because they were totally run on capitalist ideals, then you'll have a chance of swaying me. Till then, your ideas are untested theory.

121

What Are Your Rights?

by Simon in

jw
friends

rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

Spoletta

MeanMrMustard,

Sorry, your arguments only show that capitalism is a part of what has decreased poverty, but ignores the elements of socialism that provide services that help to elevate some out of poverty. Your ideas, like those of the numerous sects of libertarians, are merely theories, with no real world examples to demonstrate their success or failure. The minarchist ideal of a state with only military, police, and courts to keep order and protect personal and property rights, could only work in a world where people can't be bribed or corrupted. Good luck with that.

I've watched the Libertarian Presidential debates, where people such as the Libertarian Governor of New Mexico was booed for suggesting driving licenses were a good idea, and the eternal "who will build the roads?" dilemma was solved by giving everybody jet packs.

I'm not one to recommend YouTube channels, but you might find the Majority Report with Sam Seder interesting. He challenges any Libertarian to debate, and never fails to entertain with his questions that Libertarians can't or won't try to answer. He even debates Walter Block in two short (50 minutes or less) segments, where I feel Block doesn't come off too well. Of course, you'll probably find him the epitome of eloquent logic.

I still feel a combination of socialist and capitalist ideas work best, so we'll just have to disagree. Still, thanks for the opportunity to debate. You're a very fine writer.