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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  towerwatchman

  To Finklestien.

  Your too full of yourself Watchtower people leave out of a lack of engaging honest discussion and this happens quite often when debating theism or personal beliefs.

  I have to ask, “why is are so many posters here suffering from fecal encephalopathy?” Just for the record I am an ex JW. If you are going to insult at least get it right.

  Think about this for a minute....... its known and accepted that asteroids are moving about the universe and some over time have hit earth causing catastrophic damage to all living things on this planet, ie. the end of dinosaurs.
  If another large asteroid was on route to collide with earth and it was known that all life on earth was to be destroyed once again, would it still make logical sense to proclaim that a intelligent designer / deity created the universe ?

  It would not make logical sense if and only when the asteroid collides and kills all life.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  towerwatchman

  To Finklestien

  You cant prove something of which you can not firstly define. Proving a negative is a logical fallacy in itself. Faith, by definition, relies on a belief that does not rest on logic or evidence. Faith depends on irrational thought and produces intransigence.

  Agree on all points.

  There is an interesting thing about life, it is that it does not start with reason and ends with faith. A child’s mind is very limited and does not inform the child for the reason of her trust, but as she runs into her father’s arms she does so because of an unspoken trust that those arms will hold her. A child begins with faith that is then proven by reason. Over time that trust will be tested, and it is the character of the parent that will establish that trust to be wise. One starts life believing in Santa, The Tooth Fairy, Zeus, maybe the Flying Spaghetti Monster but overtime reason proves them wrong. My faith has substance, it is rational, based on the confirmed knowledge that Jesus has proven who He claims to be, God incarnate. Some accept by faith, I by reason. My faith is not orphaned by reason.

  What I ask is that anyone who investigates does so honestly, researching both sides and follow the truth to where it leads them. There were many long nights that I spent searching for the truth, where ever it lead me. One thing I noticed over and over again. The God of the Bible is true, based on logic and reason.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  towerwatchman

  To Finklstien

  Really , the only belief I have and hold to is the adherence to intellectual honesty and faith that its better for mankind to continue investigating facts based on physical evidence to use toward the ending benefit of humanity.

  As an atheist you obviously espouse evolution.

  So let's test the facts.

  Is a fact that living things arise from non living things? = Never observed.

  Is a fact that complex systems evolve bit by bit? = No evidence anywhere of the evolution of such systems.

  Is it a fact that evolutionist have the missing link? = No the missing links are still missing.

  Is it a fact that mutations support evolution? = No. Evolution (things becoming more ordered) and mutations (things becoming more disordered) are processes going in opposite directions.

  Is it a fact that probability supports evolution? No. Evolutionists such as Sir Fred Hoyle concede this when they say "The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way (time and chance) is comparable with the chance that 'a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.

  Is it a fact,according to natural selection, that the fittest survive? No. Natural selection is based on circular reasoning: the fittest are those who survive, and those who survive are deemed fittest.

  All requires a tremendous amount of faith. More faith than I can ever have. Again I wish I had the faith of an Atheist.

  Your logic and reason is based upon hearsay alone derived from ancient mythological expressions.

  Here is the funny part. I have not posted anything derived from ancient mythological expressions but science and math.

  I do accept and acknowledge that the Jesus god was devised to appeal and in benefit to humanity through empathy, understanding and compassion toward the human condition.

  Why bring up Jesus, I am not arguing for Jesus but Intelligent Design.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  towerwatchman

  To Cofty

  You avoid every difficult question. You have listened to hours of Wm L Craig videos and formed your arguments in a bubble. Every word you write is either WLC or S. Meyer. You bounce all over the place using copy-paste as if you have written it yourself and never provide links. You ignore every argument of substance. You never converse or attempt to understand anything others are saying.

  Typical position of an armature. Yes I use Craig, and Myers. So what I credited them with the material. As to properly citing, nonsense, this is a forum to discuss, not a term paper. I have answered every post be it with my material or if with others [cited]. The funny part is not rebuttal with substance. The problem is not me 'bouncing' all over the place' but you inability to keep up. Pick a topic, I am still waiting for you. If you want I could dumb it down for you.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  towerwatchman

  To cofty

  Natural disasters proves that an omnipotent and loving god does not exist.

  HOW?????
  
  
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  315

  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  towerwatchman

  To Cofty

  You are decades out of date. Nobody thinks life began in a prebiotic soup. You have never read a book on evolution in your life have you? DNA provides incontrovertible proof that all of life evolved from a common ancestor over millions of years. PS - If you must copy-paste have the honesty to provide a link to the source.

  I always read both sides of the discussion. One common thread I notice in pro evolution books. It is more fantasy than science.

  If you paid close attention, the probability that your one cell common ancestor just popped out of slime is 1 in 10^40K. There are 10^65 atoms in our galaxy. Hint = impossibility.

  So tell me where how did the first protein that the first ‘common ancestor’ evolve?

  Or better yet, tell me how someone can have such faith in a worldview that should start with ‘Once upon a time.” My worldview is based on science, logic and reason. Yours is based on faith. I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.

  PS I gave you the author. Look it up.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  towerwatchman

  To cofty

  Designing a world that inevitably blows up and randomly kills millions of its inhabitants is not something an all-powerful and loving god would do. Either he is a bad designer or a sadist. Either way he is not the god of christian theism. This is not a bold claim.

  For argument sake let's say you are right and the deity that rules is a sadist. All you have proven is that the deity that rules this universe is not a kind deity. You have not proven the non existence of any deity.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  towerwatchman

  To cofty

  What do you mean by moral truth?

  What a society or individual believes to be morally true.
  
  
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  315

  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  towerwatchman

  To Slimboyfat

  Another problem with the assertion is that there are many millions of believers who do believe in God who are well aware of suffering. Many Christians have reflected on the subject and philosophers have explored solutions. They don't think it's proof God doesn't exist.

  Agree.

  The horrible suffering in the world certainly seems to be evidence of God's absence. But as one colleague once wisely remarked to me, as a philosopher I am called upon to say what I think about some questions, not how I feel about it. And as difficult as the problem of suffering may be emotionally, that is no reason in and of itself to think that God does not exist.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  towerwatchman

  To Cofty

  Natural evil is proof that the god of christian theism does not exist.

  When one asserts that there is such a thing as evil, one must assume there is such a thing as good. When one assumes there is such a thing as good, he or she must also assume there is an objective moral law by which to distinguish between good and evil. When you assume an objective moral law, you must posit a moral lawgiver—the source of the moral law. [Ravi Zacharias]